Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:44:57 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>, "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net>, "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.org> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Message-ID: <000601c1796a$866eff00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <02ac01c1790e$96f842c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@freebie.atkielski.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:47 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Andrew C. Hornback; Mike Meyer >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) > >> In summary, your arguing from a classic "tech" >> position where you simply don't take any of the >> financial/business/political issues into account ... > >I've seen the figures. Your assertions concerning piracy and >overseas revenue >are the opposite of reality. > That may be true but that was not the major point I was making. Whether due to piracy or not, UNIX and FreeBSD penetration in the overseas market is higher than it is in the US. What your doing is taking one of the points I made and are going off on a tangent on it, your not adressing yourself to the core financial/business/political issues of what I was talking about. Overseas there is not the same Invented Here syndrome that creates an unconscious bias in favor of Windows, there are not the legions of cheap consultants that will hack-up I mean install Windows, there is less incentive to run out and buy the latest Windows that comes down the pike (whether because they are used to paying full price as I said or because they are not as closed-minded as you are I don't know) As I said, if your a business that only cares about the absolute cheapest computing possible without regard to how well it solves your problems, if your located in a sea of Windows users then it's going to be cheaper for you to go with the flow and buy/use/steal Windows if your willing to accept garbage-grade computing. As a US citizen I'll say there's a lot of good things going for the US but theres a few really awful things, and one of the worst traits of US society is the constant insistance that the cheaper way to do something is always better. Short term savings at the cost of higher long term expenses is how most people here run their finances, why do you think that the auto dealers here offer 0% financing with no payments for a year? The purchaser ends up paying a much higher price for the car because all that deferred financing has to be built into the price upfront. It's no different with computing. People pay a lower up front cost for Windows because it's cheap to set up, but over the total cost of the system they pay much more simply because Windows isn't the best solution for their infrastructure. It's an inflexible one-size-fits-all solution. As a result companies end up changing around their workflow into a suboptimal way of doing things just to accomodate this Windows system that they are supposedly saving all this money over. So yes, they save some money on the software, but at the cost of the higher profits that a computing infrastructure that was adjusted to their business would bring them. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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