Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:06:49 +0000 From: David Murphy <drjolt@redbrick.dcu.ie> To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <20000321230649.D46913@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003211039360.29182-100000@freefall.freebsd.org>; from kris@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:49:45AM -0800 References: <20000321141055.E5367@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003211039360.29182-100000@freefall.freebsd.org>
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Quoting <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003211039360.29182-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> by Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org>: > > Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of commercial unix > > OSes, Sun for example, and I use this example because I'm familiar > > with them, put out an Early Access version of Solaris 8 some > > months before formally releasing Solaris 8. Effectively, this is > > the same timescale FreeBSD is going to run on, but the early > > access version is labelled -RELEASE. > No, the early-access version is labelled 4.0-RC1. If you're not > willing to jump on board during the testing phase when we say "okay, > we think this is pretty much ready unless anyone finds bugs in the > next 30 days (which turned into over 2 months in the end)", then > don't complain when 4.0 is released and you find a bug that could > have been fixed earlier. It's as simple as that - if there are bugs > we don't get alerted about during the publicized "prerelease" cycle > (and thanks to all those who *did* jump on board and help us improve > the quality of 4.0!), then they'll have to be fixed post-release. Yes, that's all fine, and although I'm sure you'd rather not believe me, I understand that perfectly well. What I *am* complaining about is people who answer "Hey, there's this bug in X.0-RELEASE" with "Well, X.0-RELEASE is out there for people who are willing to jump on board during the testing phase, didn't you know that? Fool.". Basically, I'm saying stop using the "It's a test release" justification once it goes to -RELEASE. > > As opposed to what? People staying away from x.0-RELEASE in > > droves, because they find out it's a beta, AFTER they've been > > confused by the naming policy? > As others have pointed out, it's not a "beta" - but it *is* new > technology which must be expected to have some bugs. This is the > case *all over the computer industry* - every dot-zero release has > some level of bugginess, because by definition the dot-zero means > it's got a lot of new code in it, and humans are bad programmers. > If you don't understand this reality, then you've either been conned > by the marketing apparati of big companies into thinking that > dot-zero releases only contain wonderful new features that you > really need, or you don't understand this game we're in all that > well. Yes, I know. I didn't just fall crawl out of the primordial soup and start posting to freebsd-stable - I *do* expect bugs in each and every version of each and ever OS to grace the face of the planet, but I do *not* expect to have "It's only a test release" shouted at me when I complain about something that's been -RELEASE-d. > <sarcasm> Perhaps if we ran multimedia ads across the world and > charged people exorbitant license fees for the upgrade then they'd > be happier. > </sarcasm> Well, at least you don't have to listen to them accuse you of being totaly fscking clueless when you dare to point out a problems post-release. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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