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Date:      03 Nov 1999 02:54:12 -0500
From:      Edward Kovarski <edwardk@digitalized.com>
To:        "condor@inreach.com" <condor@inreach.com>
Cc:        "'Warner Losh'" <imp@village.org>, Dug Song <dugsong@monkey.org>, "Gary D. Kline" <kline@tao.thought.org>, "provos@citi.umich.edu" <provos@citi.umich.edu>, "security@FreeBSD.ORG" <security@FreeBSD.ORG>, "ports@FreeBSD.ORG" <ports@FreeBSD.ORG>, "markus@openbsd.org" <markus@openbsd.org>
Subject:   Re: OpenSSH patches
Message-ID:  <87so2onh7f.fsf@nyctereutes.digitalized.com>
In-Reply-To: CONDOR's message of "Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:52:30 -0800"
References:  <01BF2574.D4747820.condor@inreach.com>

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Since patents are generally very vague in order to encompass as much
as possible of a given market, the significant changes would have to
create a whole new product and thus a whole new patent. You would be
still able to use the old expired patent to your hearts content.

If they could have done it, they would have. A few publications did
some stories on RSA - mainly Bidzos - and where he was planning to
take the company once their nest egg expired.

Anyhow, according to RSA[1] they were issued the patent on September
29, 1983. However, according to the IBM[2] and USPTO server they are
listing the issue date as September 20, 1983.

Using the USPTO and IBM servers as a reference, the patent officially
expires on September 20, 2000.

[1] http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/faq/6-3-1.html
[2] http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?&pn=US04405829__

/e

CONDOR <condor@inreach.com> writes:
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Warner Losh [SMTP:imp@village.org]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 02, 1999 17:32
> To:	Dug Song
> Cc:	Gary D. Kline; provos@citi.umich.edu; security@FreeBSD.ORG; ports@FreeBSD.ORG; markus@openbsd.org
> Subject:	Re: OpenSSH patches 
> 
> In message <Pine.BSO.4.10.9911021400560.1191-100000@funky.monkey.org> Dug Song writes:
> :      Patents can be renewed.
> 
> Patents cannot be renewed.
> 
> [CONDOR]  They can if you planned ahead with a significant enough change to the original and refile the changes in the right way. :-)
> 
> Warner



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