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Date:      Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:08:05 +0000
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>
Subject:   Re: PSA: If you run -current, beware!
Message-ID:  <20150205170805.GA19463@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>
In-Reply-To: <8273349.HE1luBF2tk@ralph.baldwin.cx>
References:  <8089702.oYScRm8BTN@overcee.wemm.org> <2613155.3ZBxDvY16q@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20150205152223.GA59664@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <8273349.HE1luBF2tk@ralph.baldwin.cx>

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On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 10:48:54AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote:
> On Thursday, February 05, 2015 04:22:23 PM Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 08:21:45AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 05, 2015 08:48:33 AM Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> > ...
> >=20
> > > > > > It is fixed (in the proper meaning of the word, not like worked
> > > > > > around,
> > > > > > covered by paper) by the patch at the end of the mail.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > We already have a story trying to enable much less ambitious op=
tion
> > > > > > -fno-strict-overflow, see r259045 and the revert in r259422.  I=
 do
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > see other way than try one more time.  Too many places in kernel
> > > > > > depend on the correctly wrapping 2-complement arithmetic, among
> > > > > > others
> > > > > > are callweel and scheduler.
> > > >=20
> > > > Rather than depending on a compiler option, wouldn't it be better/m=
ore
> > > > robust to change ticks to unsigned, which has specified wrapping
> > > > behavior?
> > >=20
> > > Yes, but non-trivial.  It's also not limited to ticks.  Since the com=
piler
> > > knows when it would apply these optimizations, it would be nice if it
> > > could
> > > warn instead (GCC apparently has a warning, but clang does not).  Hav=
ing
> > > people do a manual audit of every signed integer expression in the tr=
ee
> > > will take a long time.
> >=20
> > I think I misunderstood the problem as being limited to ticks,
> > which is probably only one symptom of a fundamental change in behaviour
> > of the compiler.
> > Still, it might be worthwhile start looking at ints that ought to be
> > implemented as u_int
>=20
> I actually agree, I just think we are stuck with -fwrapv in the interval,=
 but=20
> it's probably not a short interval.  I think converting ticks to unsigned=
=20
> would be a good first start.

In principle MIT's KINT tool should help here.  Unfortunatly, it's based
on LLVM 3.1 and appears to be unmaintained.

-- Brooks

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