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Date:      Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:08:18 +0100
From:      S Roberts <stacey@vickiandstacey.com>
To:        Masoom Shaikh <masoom.shaikh@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Cc:        Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD-8 Dual Booting With Pre-Installed Windows 7?
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Hello Masoom,

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:56:39 +0530
Masoom Shaikh <masoom.shaikh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, S Roberts <stacey@vickiandstacey.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello Masoom,
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:54:12 +0530
> > Masoom Shaikh <masoom.shaikh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:45 PM, S Roberts
> >> <stacey@vickiandstacey.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Masoom,
> >> > =A0 Good to hear from you..,
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:32:57 +0530
> >> > Masoom Shaikh <masoom.shaikh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Stacey Roberts
> >> >> <stacey@vickiandstacey.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello Leslie,
> >> >> > =A0 =A0 =A0Good to hear from you..,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, 04 Apr 2010, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg229=
158.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> /Leslie
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I had a look at the thread - thanks..,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The documentation for EasyBCD documentation itself states that
> >> >> > its compatible with windows vista - there's nowhere that
> >> >> > actually states that it supports windows 7.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been using EasyBCD on Win7 + FBSD8 for some 6+ months now
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's great to hear.., Can you confirm that you started off
> >> > with a pre-installed windows 7 machine / single disk and then
> >> > **added** FreeBSD, please?
> >>
> >> Win7 was not pre-installed. I have three partitions,
> >> part1(c:) - NTFS
> >> part2(d:) - FAT32
> >> part3 - UFS2, not visible to Win7, visible in Disk Management
> >> console as free space
> >>
> >> Win7 is installed on part1, part2 is data drive so that bot OSes
> >> can read/write do not want to use fusefs
> >>
> >> first install Win7, then FreeBSD, then boot in Win7 and use
> >> EasyBCD to add FreeBSD as another entry
> >> remember to advise FreeBSD to not touch MBR.
> >>
> >
> > Understood. So for your installation of FreeBSD, selecting "None
> > Leave Master Boot Record untouched" actually did work - and you did
> > **NOT** find that sysinstall still went ahead and messed with the
> > mbr?
> >
> > Sorry for the questions, but I recall a recent thread where a few
> > people confirmed that this option does not behave as expected,
> > and folks ended up with broken windows mbrs.
>=20
> yes,
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2010-April/056100.html
> thread is actually correct, for me it is fresh install, in your case
> it is little tricky to get it straight for a fresh install you can
> install FreeBSD first then Win7, and then use EasyBSD. done.
>=20

Wiping the machine as you suggest is not an option.=20

This is a new, windows 7 preinstalled machine that came with **NO**
windows 7 install disks.

> i guess, i have done that too. i.e. installed FreeBSD after Win7, then
> used Win7 CD to repair
> but take care, it can fail with that irritating send, don't send
> dialog box
>=20

I'd have like to have known this earlier.., I wasn't set to start until
later this evening, so I guess its good to have found this out now.

> so here is one trick if you got guts to try :). I recently got saved
> with this trick
>=20
> you have Win7 pre-installed, now free up some space and let FreeBSD
> install, select the option "do not touch mbr". Next boot you will find
> Win7 gone. Boot from Win7 CD and let it install at same location where
> it is/was installed. Setup will warn you of already existing
> installation. It might additionally say that it will move old
> installation to "Windows.old" folder. Ignore this warning and let
> setup continue. If I remember correctly the second option is
> Extracting Windows Files(percentage). Let it come to second step and
> execute it for a 5 mins, then cancel the setup, ignore all warning and
> it will undo all changes, but by that time it will already have fixed
> the bootloader problem. After you cancel setup, give it all time it
> needs to undo, don't force reboot/power down.
>=20
> hope this will enable you too install FreeBSD, a great development
> environment have fun!
>=20

As I said above, the machine did not come with windows 7 installation
media included.

W Block earlier referred to the sysinstall mbr issue as a "rare bug",
but if you have yourself encountered this bug 6 months ago, then it
would appear to have been broken for a long time.

A search of PRs show;
Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:37:58 GMT: bin/86600: sysinstall(8): Sysinstall
boot manager screen is misleading

Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:03:41 -0800 (PST): bin/121124: sysinstall(8):
FreeBSD 6.3 installation deletes MBR partition

Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:11:51 GMT: bin/129771: sysinstall(8): 7.1 RC1
sysinstalls installs boot0 even when told not to

I've been managing FreeBSD servers for years now, so I guess this type
of issue did slip through my attention gap - even so, going by the
earliest date there, seems like this ball has been dropping for a long
time :-/

Thanks for the suggestions, Masoom.

Regards,

S Roberts

> >
> > Thanks again, Masoom.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > S Roberts
> >
> >> have fun!!
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Tell me something - Which of the 3 FreeBSD boot manager options
> >> > did you select, please?
> >>
> >> don't let FreeBSD touch your MBR, Win7 won't like that
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > S Roberts
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Or, am I missing something?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I noted that the link by the responder in the thread also
> >> >> > refers to a document that is based on windows vista, but will
> >> >> > review this as well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > S Roberts
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Hello,
> >> >> >> > Sorry if this has been asked before, but can some point me
> >> >> >> > to where I can find info on installing FreeBSD-8 to a
> >> >> >> > windows-7 pre-installed machine (single disk) in a
> >> >> >> > dual-boot set up, please?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Any assistance is appreciated.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > S Roberts
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