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Date:      Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:13:27 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au>
Cc:        Chris Dillon <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us>, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/contrib/softupdates softdep.h ffs_softdep.c 
Message-ID:  <1489.961712007@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:52:44 %2B1000." <00Jun23.075254est.115312@border.alcanet.com.au> 

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In message <00Jun23.075254est.115312@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy write
s:

>Whilst the solution to this appears obvious (if you can't allocate a
>block, but there are free blocks on the to-be-commited list, wait for
>free space to become available), actually implementing it is quite
>difficult if you want to avoid deadlocks.  Kirk has previously
>recommended that softupdates not be enabled on a filesystem unless it
>has sufficient free space to absorb about 1 minute's writes.

yup, this one is tricky, I tried to fix it by sleeping on the
potential of allocating a block, but even that isn't enough,
and had undesirable consequences.

>A number of people have also claimed that softupdates interacts with
>Vinum (particularly RAID-5) in undesirable ways.  I believe that at
>least some of this was a misunderstanding of the way softupdates
>handles write re-ordering (or at least the write semantics that
>softupdates expects).

This one was a misunderstanding, in fact vinum/raid5 works more
reliably with softupdates than without I belive.

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