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Date:      Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:34:40 -0500 (EST)
From:      Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu>
To:        Debbie Machado <ldmservices@charter.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: In case I don't see yah:  Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101082231080.342-100000@culverk.student.umd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <001301c079e9$01696880$19bad818@debbie>

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whatever you say.... you insulted ME on a very large mailing list... I
didn't think it was funny. Stop looking down your nose at me long enough
to realize that you have just turned away several thousands of people from
ever becoming christian...



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| Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
| Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
| and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
| The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
| College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Debbie Machado wrote:

> Hey Ken, I told everybody here that after the holidays you would be so bored
> you would be back at it when you returned from the holidays on Monday.  I
> just peaked in to see if I was right.  Somehow, I always seem to upset
> Christians more then atheists.  "A Christian like me", hey? I must ruffle
> your feathers.  Get a bigger rule book, maybe I will fit into that one.  Oh
> well, before I shut you out again, I thought I would send you a Christian
> joke. It's God putting hot sauce on his pizza.  Oh yea, before I forget Ken,
> Christians do like to cut up, and that's all I was doing; I was giving it
> right back to them after they had given it to me. I guess you didn't read
> what was said to me or else you wouldn't have thought I told them they suck
> for disagreeing with me.  They sucked for another reason - and I didn't take
> what they said to me serious or personally and they didn't take what I said
> personal.  There was only one person I wrote to that I really struck a nerve
> with, and he knows who he is, and hopefully he will walk into a Christian
> church that doesn't judge him because he is searching. Christians do joke,
> and argue, and cutup, and smoke pot, and judge, and deny other Christians.
> If you think I could insult someone like Jeremiah or anyone else over
> there - believe me - I don't have that kind of power in my cut-up. They are
> not insulted by me, they could give a sh_t less about me or what I believe.
> So, if it is your gain to agree with them by disagreeing with me in hopes to
> find a common ground with them - re-read your Bible.  Besides that, it's
> fake, and they can smell it. You are not going to win any souls that way,
> but you might keep your admin job if you get along with everyone.  If your
> the type of "good" Christian you claim to be, then under YOUR biblical rules
> they are YOUR enemy, not mine, and YOUR kissing YOUR own enemies ass.  I
> cussed, good Christians don't cuss - right - wrong! No ones my enemy, not
> you, not them, because there isn't a you and them, there is only an US.  Be
> yourself.  And, He will work through you, we can't do anything ourselves -
> good behavior or bad behavior.  I was cutting up and that is not shameful,
> denying "one of God's", may be. You didn't say a person like me, you said
> people like me. Meaning, you've run into more then one Christian like me and
> have denied them too. But, I am not the judger. Ken, have you been praying
> before writing or reading these? Because you missed the big one. There was
> ONE person out there that wrote who needed to hear something  - and he
> needed to hear it my way, not your way, and he did!  And none of us has
> heard from him since, because he's thinking about what was said to him. I
> was though then, and shut it down, what is keeping you here? Maybe, there is
> something you need to hear also - so I will go on.  I WILL NOT CHANGE MYSELF
> UNLESS HE CHANGES ME.  As long as I can hear His voice and see His works in
> front of me, I WILL stop to talk to anyone about whatever they want and in
> any direction they want to take it, and in their vocabulary.  "A Christian
> like me", - right Ken, you probably think there are bad Christians and good
> Christians.  Most of us radically saved Christians would not be here if we
> thought all Christians where like you and we had to live up to certain
> standards. I heard the Word through another type of Christian, so don't be
> too judgmental on what are Christian examples, ect.  I don't set any
> examples! I can't do anything! I can only be what He has made me to be, and
> if you judge that - you judge His works. You claim to have a certain
> standard and criticize others who do not live up to it, when you did to me,
> what you accused me of doing to them.  Are you listening?  Can I recommend a
> book: "Christian Burnout", maybe that will help you in your turmoil about
> getting so upset and bothered by Christians like me.  For me, seriously,
> here is how I see it: If only I could love, like Christ loves me, then I
> would be patient with Christians like you. Some Christians think that the
> apostles where told not to eat meat because the ones around them where
> "baby" Christians.  You know the verse and the term.  I have been eating
> meat around you, and that is my sin; not what I did, but that it offended
> you not anyone else.  I fall way short of being Christ like. What did Paul
> say: why do I keep doing the things that tempt me, when I struggle so not
> to?  Or doubting Thomas, or how about the one who betrayed Christ? I guess
> they are all sinning Christians like me, so what do they know anyhow?  In
> Him, - Debbie     P.S. Ken, all we did was take a step, we just got on the
> boat with the rest of the saved - anything we've done since that day or
> after that day, means nothing to God.  The only reason He has anything to do
> with us, is because of Christ's blood, not our good deeds, behavior, or
> personality.  God doesn't play brownie point games, nor does he distinguish
> good Christians, true Christians, from bad Christians or little sin from big
> sin, that is man's world.  What you REALLY don't like Ken, is that I will be
> there by your side, we will meet; it's your atheist buddies, who you are
> apologizing to for MY behavior, who will not be there with you!  Until
> then...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Culver [mailto:culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:26 AM
> To: Jeremiah Gowdy
> Cc: Debbie Machado; <jgouwdy@home.com>; greid@ukug.uk.freebds.org
> Subject: Re: LOL
> 
> 
> No problem... I'm tired of people getting turned away from christianity
> because of people like this person.
> 
> 
> =================================================================
> | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
> | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> | College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> =================================================================
> 
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> 
> > /*
> >
> > As a fellow christian, I'm embarrased that people like you exist. Since
> when
> > do christians tell others that they suck just because they have a
> > disagreement. You made a false conclusion that yahoo was against
> > christianity, and all that mailed you back told you that. I myself just
> > personally went to the yahoo site, and some of those cards look plenty
> > christian to me.... Jesus and all... I really don't know what you're
> talking
> > about, and truthfully, I don't think you have any right mailing a list
> that
> > is there so that people can get help using FreeBSD with your assumption
> that
> > everyone on the list is christian. Frankly, I'm annoyed because it's
> > christians like you that turn away non-christians.
> > */
> >
> > See, Christmas is truly a time when brothers of all faith (or lack
> thereof)
> > can come together and feel like part of a community, and that community as
> a
> > whole can tell someone how stupid they're acting (read: acting stupid !=
> you
> > are stupid).  :)
> >
> > I am most definitely turned away. lol
> >
> > Thanks for being the true Christian here Ken, and speaking up.  I used to
> be
> > a Christian myself, until for personal reasons, I went a different path.
> > But I know what it is to be a Christian and how to speak to other
> > non-Christians while being respectful of them and their beliefs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 



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