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Date:      Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:17:31 +0200
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: BSD direction/Damonnews article
Message-ID:  <p0510030cb74a8232d675@[194.78.241.123]>
In-Reply-To: <15140.35316.140495.9735@guru.mired.org>
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At 4:05 AM -0500 6/11/01, Mike Meyer wrote:

>  While I agree that that model can work, your description is missing
>  one important detail - where's the corporate income coming from after
>  they open-source the product?

	A primary source of income would be consulting, training, and 
telephone support.  I would add a fourth source of income through the 
provision of commercial services related to the product in question.

>  Do you have examples of companies that follow this basic model with a
>  different income source?

	Sendmail is doing the first three, but Nominum is doing all four. 
I think that setting up as many additional sources of income, from as 
broad a community as possible, is vital to the future health of the 
company.

>  The other open source model that have evidence of a actually working
>  is bundling open-sourced software with proprietary hardware. There's
>  little or no money in the open-sourced software, but development and
>  maintenance gets covered by the costs affiliated with the
>  hardware. Tivo is doing this. It's not clear they are going to survive
>  the arrival of MicroSoft as competition, but their basic model seems
>  to be working fine.

	Problem is, TiVO is taking a loss on each box they sell, and then 
making it up on the service side (the lifetime subscriptions).  As a 
customer, I don't want to continue to pay $19.95 for the rest of my 
life, so I'd be much happier taking the Philips DVR, whereby you buy 
the hardware outright (at a higher price), but then the channel 
information is made available at no cost.

	Also, a TiVO is useless outside the country where it is sold, 
because the telephone number that the box is programmed to dial is 
hard-coded.  A Philips DVR can be used in any country, because it 
does not depend on being able to dial up a particular telephone 
number to get the necessary information.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

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