Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:19:58 +0100 From: krad <kraduk@gmail.com> To: Darren Pilgrim <freebsd@bitfreak.org> Cc: ray@ddteam.net, kimelto@gmail.com, demelier.david@gmail.com, dougb@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, mj@feral.com, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: DHCP server in base Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rM_wrR8x3CymHby7WmkPVg9VmDTZ7xtyCYoks@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C9E5744.5090702@bitfreak.org> References: <20100910234830.87641e07.ray@ddteam.net> <4C8ACE52.8060000@FreeBSD.org> <AANLkTinkJ182=GFTdWW_0OAT6rfoRJPBxnzMyukCeYnR@mail.gmail.com> <20100915.082513.802140508206832836.imp@bsdimp.com> <4C9E5744.5090702@bitfreak.org>
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On 25 September 2010 21:10, Darren Pilgrim <freebsd@bitfreak.org> wrote: > M. Warner Losh wrote: > >> It would be very convenient to have this particular thing in the base, and >> we shouldn't be too dogmatic about never having any new 3rd >> party things in the base. >> > > Please no, don't add optional servers to the base. I already don't like > sendmail, bind, ntpd and inetd in the base. These are *optional* > software--not required for the normal operation of the OS. They aren't > even enabled by default except sendmail. Adding sendmail_enable="NONE" > to /etc/rc.conf is one of the first things I do on all new systems. I > only barely tolerate openssl in the base because it's needed for > openssh; however, I'd rather both of those be in ports as well. > > There's also the issue of updating: > > It's very annoying to have to update the OS just to fix a BIND or > OpenSSL vulnerability and, let's be honest, we'll likely never see the > last of those. Rebooting a production server is non-trivial. By-hand > partial installworlds on live systems are a disturbing prospect. If it > was a port, just update the port. Its far easier justifying updating a > port than modifying the OS on a production server. The Ports System > makes updating a port so fast and painless I can do many of the > non-user-facing ones without an announced downtime. > > It's trivial installing ports and utterly so installing packages. I'd > love to see us use the awesomeness that is the Ports System to manage > these things. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > have a look at man src.conf and named_program
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