Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:12:53 -0500 From: Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> In-Reply-To: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <E1asbZj-0003Ra-Qs@rmm6prod02.runbox.com> <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk>
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On 4/19/2016 3:09 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles > away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with > pkg, they can very well roll their own. > > It's nice to see the level of enthusiasm the FreeBSD project can > muster, I just wish it wasn't always enthusiasm for stopping progress. > Maybe I missed an email in this thread, but I don't recall anyone completely rejecting the idea of packaging the base system. What I see is a discussion related to doing it in the best way possible. I suspect that most of the negative reactions people are having is due to the line being blurred between the base system and everything else. Historically there has always been a clear distinction. By packaging base and throwing it in with everything else, you erase that distinction. I suspect that if the 'base is different' concept was preserved in a more fundamental way, there would be less resistance. After all, is there that much difference between trusting freebsd-update to patch X files vs trusting pkg to update X packaged files? What if there were two classes of packages, base and general? To interact with a base package set, perhaps an additional command line argument could be required. If you do a 'pkg info' after an install, an empty package set is shown. If you do a 'pkg info --base' ( or whatever ) instead, you see the base package set installed. If you need to get back to just the base system, you run 'pkg delete *' without the --base arg. In other words, base retains it's distinction and pkg pretty much works the same as it does now ( without the new argument ). -Matthew
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