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Date:      Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:48:00 -0500
From:      <bob@a1poweruser.com>
To:        <crs@swcp.com>, <questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Help!
Message-ID:  <MIEPLLIBMLEEABPDBIEGEEMFHCAA.bob@a1poweruser.com>
In-Reply-To: <200503272250.PAA01070@quail.sorsby.org>

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Use your 3.4 FreeBSD system or a win system to download the mini.iso
file for 4.11 and then burn it to cd. Boot your box from the 4.11
mini newly created cd and accept the default slice sizes, select not
to install the ports collection.  The ports collection is over 3000
strong now and some are variations of same base port. You are being
foolish to select all ports as that is unnecessary and a gross waist
of disk space. After base install is complete then select the ports
you want and install separately.

You are way back level and there has been great changes in the
system and the sysinstall process. Read and follow this Install
guide for step by step instructions for 4.11 release as it's the
same as 4.10.


http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php


Yes FreeBSD CAN be installed on the fourth of four SCSI disk drives
on the second of two SCSI cards, but if you have other operating
systems on those other disks you will have to manual update the MBR
(master boot record)  multi boot program on the HD the PC bios point
to for selecting which operating system you want to boot from.




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charlie
Sorsby
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:51 PM
To: questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Help!

Every time I turn round, someone is telling me that I should update
to a more recent version of freeBSD.  Each time I try, I encounter
nothing but trouble.

Before I even begin:  *CAN* freeBSD be installed on the fourth of
four SCSI disk drives on the second of two SCSI cards?

I know of no way to record the error messages other than with
pencil and paper -- not a very efficient method in this computer
age, especially when one is in the throes of frustration.

I tried some time ago, updating to 4.5, the latest version for
which I have a CDROM.  When I encountered problems and queried this
list, I received a message to the effect that the installer should
quit working after X years.  Perhaps that was tongue in cheek but
it was singularly unhelpful.

So, I continued to use 3.4 which, aside from the fact that I can't
add anything new or update any ports or ... has stood me in good
stead for years.

Finally getting tired of using netscape 4.76 -- I've been
unsuccessful
at finding any "modern" browser that I can install under 3.4 --
and having it crashed by "modern" web sites, I decided to try again.
I fetched the floppy images for 4.11 -- I have no interest in 5.x,
4.x is far enough removed from real BSD that I wouldn't go that
route it I had a choice.

Busy with other things, I finally got round to trying an ftp
install today.

Before I proceed, I suppose that I'd best tell you what my system
comprises:

M'board:        Intel D845WN

CPU:            P4, 2.4GHz, 478, 512K, 400MHz FSB

Memory:         Crucial 512MB, 168-pin, DIMM 64Mx64, PC133 SDRAM

Case:           Antec Sonata with Antec "TruePower" supply.

SCSI cards (presently, the Adaptec is in the PCI slot closer to the
CPU):
                Adaptec 2940
                Tekram DC-390U2W

Ethernet;       Intel PRO100S

Disk drives (The first three are on the 2940, the fourth on the
Tekram):
                IBM DORS-32160 WA0A, 2GB (from original system,
                        with leftover freeBSD 2.1.5 stuff,
                        no longer bootable.)
                Seagate ST34501N 0015, 4GB (with freeBSD 3.4)
                Seagate ST39216N 0010, 9GB (/home -- no OS)
                Seagate ST318517W 0105, 18GB (on which I tried
                        to install 4.5 before and 4.11 today.

CDROM drive:    Plextor (don't recall specs.)

Video card:     Matrox Millennium G400, AGP4X, 32MB SGRAM

Oh -- FWIW, I'm also running XFree86 4.1.0 although that should not
be relevant to the installation problem but, like the feller says,
for the sake of completeness...

(I'll append -- at the end of this message -- dmesg from latest
boot after unsuccessful installation to cover anything that I've
forgotten.  This system has simply evolved over the years.)

I hope I won't forget any parts of this; I had to get back to 3.4
in order to be able to do this e-mail.  I got through the fdisk
and disklabel (re)configuration of the fourth disk onto which I
planned to install freeBSD 4.11 (having selected "Standard Install")

Here's what I tried to set up as (Unix) partitions (remember this
is on the 18GB drive):

    /            128MB          # Thought this should be more than
enough
    swap         512MB
    /usr        4196MB
    /var         512MB
    /usr/local  4196MB
    /tmp         512MB
    /spare      # Everything else -- to be disposed of later.

I then proceeded to choose the installation "package" or whatever
it's called -- I chose "ALL" and then replied yes to the query
about installing the ports collection.

I believe that the next query was the choice of installation medium;
I chose (the first) ftp and the first (ftp.freebsd.org?) server in
the list and fetching the bits and pieces began.

Within a very few minutes, the installer complained that it had run
out of space on / -- why it would have tried to fetch everything to
the root partition is beyond me but that's what it said.  Oh --
there was one previous complaint about not being able to create a
swap partition that I'd requested as partition b.  I don't
understand that, either.

Aside (just in case it may be relevant):  Recently, I've not been
able to boot the CDROM.  I had no reason to try when I rebuilt the
system some time ago with the Intel m'board and Antec case.  I
first noticed it some time ago when I tried to install 4.5.  I had
never had a problem with the old Gigabyte m'board system.  As I
said, I don't know if this is relevant but thought I'd better
mention it just in case.

Here's the dmesg output:

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights
reserved.
FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #6: Tue Jun 29 08:43:56 MDT 2004
    root@quail.sorsby.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL.CRS
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 2392250892 Hz
CPU: unknown (2392.25-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf27  Stepping = 7

Features=0xbfebfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR
,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,<b19>,<b21>,<b22>,MMX,FXSR,<b25>,<b26>,<b27>
,<b28>,<b29>,<b31>>
real memory  = 536870912 (524288K bytes)
config> di wdc1
config> di wdc0
config> q
avail memory = 519696384 (507516K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02e4000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02e409c.
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Host to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=1a30)> rev 0x03 on
pci0.0.0
chip1: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=1a31)> rev 0x03 on
pci0.1.0
chip2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=244e)> rev 0x05 on
pci0.30.0
chip3: <PCI to ISA bridge (vendor=8086 device=2440)> rev 0x05 on
pci0.31.0
uhci0: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)> rev 0x05 int d irq 11 on
pci0.31.2
(New UHCI DeviceId=0x24428086)
uhci1: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)> rev 0x05 int c irq 11 on
pci0.31.4
(New UHCI DeviceId=0x24448086)
Probing for devices on PCI bus 1:
vga0: <Matrox model 0525 graphics accelerator> rev 0x04 int a irq 11
on pci1.0.0
Probing for devices on PCI bus 2:
ahc0: <Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter> rev 0x00 int a irq 9 on pci2.10.0
ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ncr0: <ncr 53c895 fast40 wide scsi> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on
pci2.11.0
fxp0: <Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet> rev 0x0c int a irq
10 on pci2.12.0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:02:b3:eb:02:ba
Probing for PnP devices:
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
psm0 irq 12 on isa
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppb0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP
Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0:
ppbus0: <hp deskjet 5550> PRINTER MLC,PCL,PML,DW-PCL,DYN,DESKJET
lpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
usb0: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)>
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
usb1: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)>
uhub1 at usb1
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub1: device problem, disabling port 2
Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
changing root device to da1s1a
da3 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da3: <SEAGATE ST318417W 0105> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
da3: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged
Queueing Enabled
da3: 17547MB (35937500 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2237C)
da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0
da2: <SEAGATE ST39216N 0010> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
da2: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da2: 8761MB (17942584 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C)
cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
cd0: <PLEXTOR CD-ROM PX-32TS 1.03> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device
cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not
present
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST34501N 0015> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da1: 4339MB (8887200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C)
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <IBM DORS-32160 WA0A> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C)


Thank you for any help you may be able to provide.

Kindest regards,

Charlie
--
Charlie Sorsby
        crs@swcp.com
        P. O. Box 1225
        Edgewood, NM 87015
        USA
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