Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:53:13 -0500 From: Lanny Baron <lnb@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM> To: Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu> Cc: Debbie Machado <ldmservices@charter.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: get married (was Re: In case I don't see yah: Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.) Message-ID: <20010108235313.C70171@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101082231080.342-100000@culverk.student.umd.edu>; from culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:34:40PM -0500 References: <001301c079e9$01696880$19bad818@debbie> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101082231080.342-100000@culverk.student.umd.edu>
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Hey, Can you two go get married and fight like normal people? It's more fun throwing plates, glasses, irons..you know. Have a great day and MAKE a better tomorrow. :-) --Lanny On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:34:40PM -0500, Kenneth Culver wrote: > whatever you say.... you insulted ME on a very large mailing list... I > didn't think it was funny. Stop looking down your nose at me long enough > to realize that you have just turned away several thousands of people from > ever becoming christian... > > > > ================================================================= > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade. | > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | > | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > ================================================================= > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Debbie Machado wrote: > > > Hey Ken, I told everybody here that after the holidays you would be so bored > > you would be back at it when you returned from the holidays on Monday. I > > just peaked in to see if I was right. Somehow, I always seem to upset > > Christians more then atheists. "A Christian like me", hey? I must ruffle > > your feathers. Get a bigger rule book, maybe I will fit into that one. Oh > > well, before I shut you out again, I thought I would send you a Christian > > joke. It's God putting hot sauce on his pizza. Oh yea, before I forget Ken, > > Christians do like to cut up, and that's all I was doing; I was giving it > > right back to them after they had given it to me. I guess you didn't read > > what was said to me or else you wouldn't have thought I told them they suck > > for disagreeing with me. They sucked for another reason - and I didn't take > > what they said to me serious or personally and they didn't take what I said > > personal. There was only one person I wrote to that I really struck a nerve > > with, and he knows who he is, and hopefully he will walk into a Christian > > church that doesn't judge him because he is searching. Christians do joke, > > and argue, and cutup, and smoke pot, and judge, and deny other Christians. > > If you think I could insult someone like Jeremiah or anyone else over > > there - believe me - I don't have that kind of power in my cut-up. They are > > not insulted by me, they could give a sh_t less about me or what I believe. > > So, if it is your gain to agree with them by disagreeing with me in hopes to > > find a common ground with them - re-read your Bible. Besides that, it's > > fake, and they can smell it. You are not going to win any souls that way, > > but you might keep your admin job if you get along with everyone. If your > > the type of "good" Christian you claim to be, then under YOUR biblical rules > > they are YOUR enemy, not mine, and YOUR kissing YOUR own enemies ass. I > > cussed, good Christians don't cuss - right - wrong! No ones my enemy, not > > you, not them, because there isn't a you and them, there is only an US. Be > > yourself. And, He will work through you, we can't do anything ourselves - > > good behavior or bad behavior. I was cutting up and that is not shameful, > > denying "one of God's", may be. You didn't say a person like me, you said > > people like me. Meaning, you've run into more then one Christian like me and > > have denied them too. But, I am not the judger. Ken, have you been praying > > before writing or reading these? Because you missed the big one. There was > > ONE person out there that wrote who needed to hear something - and he > > needed to hear it my way, not your way, and he did! And none of us has > > heard from him since, because he's thinking about what was said to him. I > > was though then, and shut it down, what is keeping you here? Maybe, there is > > something you need to hear also - so I will go on. I WILL NOT CHANGE MYSELF > > UNLESS HE CHANGES ME. As long as I can hear His voice and see His works in > > front of me, I WILL stop to talk to anyone about whatever they want and in > > any direction they want to take it, and in their vocabulary. "A Christian > > like me", - right Ken, you probably think there are bad Christians and good > > Christians. Most of us radically saved Christians would not be here if we > > thought all Christians where like you and we had to live up to certain > > standards. I heard the Word through another type of Christian, so don't be > > too judgmental on what are Christian examples, ect. I don't set any > > examples! I can't do anything! I can only be what He has made me to be, and > > if you judge that - you judge His works. You claim to have a certain > > standard and criticize others who do not live up to it, when you did to me, > > what you accused me of doing to them. Are you listening? Can I recommend a > > book: "Christian Burnout", maybe that will help you in your turmoil about > > getting so upset and bothered by Christians like me. For me, seriously, > > here is how I see it: If only I could love, like Christ loves me, then I > > would be patient with Christians like you. Some Christians think that the > > apostles where told not to eat meat because the ones around them where > > "baby" Christians. You know the verse and the term. I have been eating > > meat around you, and that is my sin; not what I did, but that it offended > > you not anyone else. I fall way short of being Christ like. What did Paul > > say: why do I keep doing the things that tempt me, when I struggle so not > > to? Or doubting Thomas, or how about the one who betrayed Christ? I guess > > they are all sinning Christians like me, so what do they know anyhow? In > > Him, - Debbie P.S. Ken, all we did was take a step, we just got on the > > boat with the rest of the saved - anything we've done since that day or > > after that day, means nothing to God. The only reason He has anything to do > > with us, is because of Christ's blood, not our good deeds, behavior, or > > personality. God doesn't play brownie point games, nor does he distinguish > > good Christians, true Christians, from bad Christians or little sin from big > > sin, that is man's world. What you REALLY don't like Ken, is that I will be > > there by your side, we will meet; it's your atheist buddies, who you are > > apologizing to for MY behavior, who will not be there with you! Until > > then... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kenneth Culver [mailto:culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu] > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:26 AM > > To: Jeremiah Gowdy > > Cc: Debbie Machado; <jgouwdy@home.com>; greid@ukug.uk.freebds.org > > Subject: Re: LOL > > > > > > No problem... I'm tired of people getting turned away from christianity > > because of people like this person. > > > > > > ================================================================= > > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade. | > > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | > > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | > > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | > > | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > > ================================================================= > > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > > > > /* > > > > > > As a fellow christian, I'm embarrased that people like you exist. Since > > when > > > do christians tell others that they suck just because they have a > > > disagreement. You made a false conclusion that yahoo was against > > > christianity, and all that mailed you back told you that. I myself just > > > personally went to the yahoo site, and some of those cards look plenty > > > christian to me.... Jesus and all... I really don't know what you're > > talking > > > about, and truthfully, I don't think you have any right mailing a list > > that > > > is there so that people can get help using FreeBSD with your assumption > > that > > > everyone on the list is christian. Frankly, I'm annoyed because it's > > > christians like you that turn away non-christians. > > > */ > > > > > > See, Christmas is truly a time when brothers of all faith (or lack > > thereof) > > > can come together and feel like part of a community, and that community as > > a > > > whole can tell someone how stupid they're acting (read: acting stupid != > > you > > > are stupid). :) > > > > > > I am most definitely turned away. lol > > > > > > Thanks for being the true Christian here Ken, and speaking up. I used to > > be > > > a Christian myself, until for personal reasons, I went a different path. > > > But I know what it is to be a Christian and how to speak to other > > > non-Christians while being respectful of them and their beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------- Lanny Baron Proud to be 100% FreeBSD FreeBSD Systems, Inc; Freedom Technologies Corp. http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM 1.877.963.1900 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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