Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:59:40 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer <MH@kernel32.de> To: Colin Percival <cperciva@freebsd.org> Cc: Richard Bejtlich <taosecurity@gmail.com>, freebsd@voidmain.net, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What should be in GENERIC? (was Re: Facilitating binary kernel upgrades) Message-ID: <4370D97C.30109@kernel32.de> In-Reply-To: <4370D0A9.4030707@freebsd.org> References: <120ef0530511041210s6d3dbee8pc2db36129b44be2c@mail.gmail.com> <436BCA7B.6060700@voidmain.net> <4370D0A9.4030707@freebsd.org>
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Colin Percival wrote: > Tom Grove wrote: > >>Richard Bejtlich wrote: >> >>>After speaking with Colin, he mentioned that IPSec, NAT, and disk >>>quotas (enabled via options QUOTA) are the three most popular kernel >>>changes that prevent people from running GENERIC and hence using >>>freebsd-update for binary kernel updates. >>> >>>Can anyone shed light on why those three features are not available in >>>GENERIC? >> >>My guess is that just because those are the three most popular kernel >>changes that prevent people from running GENERIC doesn't mean that the >>majority of users implement these changes. > > > I find this argument hard to accept. The vast majority of FreeBSD users > will never need the NFS_ROOT option, and many systems do not even have > the hardware for serial or parallel ports, yet those are supported in the > GENERIC kernel. > And they should stay supported in GENERIC, since these are features you want to use if you have quite a big serverfarm and want to do PXE (speaking of NFS_ROOT). :) > In deciding what options should go into the GENERIC kernel, I think the > question we should be asking is not "how many people use this?", but > instead "would adding this option inconvenience more people than it would > help?". > I agree. Today I upgraded my private rootserver to 6.0-RELEASE (good job folks!) and it's running the GENERIC. Since I want to use quota's and need 'em, I have to compile my own kernel. But... well, what the hack, I'll do it anyway to strip down the GENERIC :) Just my 0,02 cents. 6.0-RELEASE looks really good (as it already looked good in RC1). Keep up the good work. Best Regards, Marian PS.: For whom it may concern and for those who are from Germany: it's a root-server at Strato (german company). Whoever runs FreeBSD on those webservers: and upgrade from 5.4-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE went easy and works like a charm (except of some struggles with dhclient)
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