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Date:      Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:17:18 -0700
From:      Ted Faber <faber@ISI.EDU>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Replacement for grep(1) (part 2) 
Message-ID:  <199907140017.RAA05545@boreas.isi.edu>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:16:46 PDT." <199907132316.QAA81828@apollo.backplane.com> 

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Matthew Dillon wrote:
>I said:
>:So, Matt, I understand that you think that the folks who are want to
>:turn off overcommit are looking to hang themselves, but how much does
>:it cost to sell them the rope?
>
>    I'm guessing that a simple implementation would be about an hour's
>    worth of work on the kernel:  [...]
>
>    But you would never be able to run normal system programs reliably
>    without also going through the entire utility source base and doing a 
>    whole lot of rewriting.  Standard programs such as 
>    <everything_under_the_sun> are not going to be happy when the limit is
>    hit and this will slowly cause system daemons to disappear from the
>    system and for programs to start dying in odd ways when you do anything
>    that brings the system close to an 'overcommitted' state.

If it's a small hunk of work, maybe one of the folks who wants the
overcommit turned off can do the work and get it committed or
post patches.  It would allow the arguments to be decided by
experiment.  It seems we're well past the point of convincing anyone
verbally.

I'm not going to do it because (1) I like my overcommitted system just
fine, thanks and (2) I don't know the VM system well enough to walk in
and change it.

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Ted Faber                                                faber@isi.edu
USC/ISI Computer Scientist                   http://www.isi.edu/~faber
(310) 822-1511 x190      PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc


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