Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:57:14 -0600 From: jacks@sage-american.com To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, "Stephen Hovey" <shovey@buffnet.net>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: this spam Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011126075714.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10111252313100.21445-100000@buffnet11.buffnet.net>
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...well, here we go again: "...as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message for ALL of them...." That's getting too close to censorship to suit me. You never know where that decision to filter ends depending on the person or his own abberations. "...please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the efforts..." That kind of talk is offensive to me and is as bad as the spam (which I just delete and get on with other stuff). While I've noticed you get on the "soapbox" a lot (every day) and dictate behavior to people on just about everything, try to use better language! Just help, without scolding everyone so much and clean up the talk! ...just another opinion and nothing personal! I'm beginning to believe your soapboxing is spam in disguise... ...book sales perhaps? ...hmmm... maybe your ad at the footer of very message makes me think that...? At 12:40 AM 11.26.2001 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >>To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>Subject: Re: this spam >> >> >> >>My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >>daily issue of it in my work.. >> >>Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >>an act of gymnastics.. >> >>Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >>sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >> >>Never do business with a spammer.. >> >>Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. >> > >Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've >seen >some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after >they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small >amount >of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) > >While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, >that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, >that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating >each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being >responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to >expend >in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the >effort >that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message >for >ALL of them. > >Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have >the >same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you >can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for >complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is >postponing >the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the >Internet >cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's >your >right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the >efforts >of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading >your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. > > >Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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