Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:29:52 +0200 From: Yonatan Bokovza <Yonatan@xpert.com> To: 'Greg Lehey' <grog@FreeBSD.org>, Yonatan Bokovza <Yonatan@xpert.com> Cc: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Stephen McKay <mckay@thehub.com.au>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping vi ctims of terror))) Message-ID: <EB513E68D3F5D41191CA000255588101B43531@mailserv.xpert.com>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 05:46 > To: Yonatan Bokovza > Cc: Brett Glass; Stephen McKay; chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was > Re: helping vi ctims of terror))) > > > On Sunday, 28 October 2001 at 11:30:40 +0200, Yonatan Bokovza wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 04:14 > >> To: Brett Glass > >> Cc: Stephen McKay; chat@FreeBSD.ORG > >> Subject: Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was > >> Re: helping victims of terror))) > >> > >> On Tuesday, 23 October 2001 at 20:08:38 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > >>> At 06:04 PM 10/23/2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> > >>>> Are there laws in place which define when this right applies, and > >>>> what "deadly force" means? > >>> > >>> In every democracy of which I am aware. > >> > >> In the democracies of which I'm aware, there is a due course of > >> justice. It doesn't involve invading places and shooting first. > > > > In the democracies *I'm* aware of there's something called "war". > > A good example of this will be when a one country shoots at > > other country's civilians. > > We've already established that war is carried out at a government > level. > > >>>> Does "attempting to apprehend criminals" include driving > tanks into > >>>> towns and firing at random? > >>> > >>> No. And the Israelis are not doing that. > >> > >> It looks very much like it to me. What am I missing? > > > > You're missing the long debates on every action, the lists of > > hundreds of known terrorists Israel asked the Palestinian Authority > > to "apprehend", the real number of those that actually were > > arrested and released a few days later. > > Yes, indeed, that's what I'm missing. If this is happening, the world > press is keeping very quiet about it. Yeah, Palestinians are "kicking behinds" when it comes to press. "Politically Correct" notion means the weaker is always right. Did you know yesterday two Palestinian Policemen, ordered by Palestinian Intelligence Chief Tawfiq Tirawi, rampaged in a bus stop in Hadera killing 4 civilians and injuring 44. Or that one civilian was gunned down, in his car, from a passing-by Palestinian car that fled into the Palestinian Authority premises. That was yesterday. Today Israel retracts forces from Beit-Lehem and Beit-Jalla, under American pressure. > > You're also missing the fact that the Israelis shoot as a last > > measure, after peace talks yielded zilch, > > Hmm. There was a certain amount of provocation, wasn't there? Yeah. In 1948 the UN declared Israel. I think that was the last straw. Ohh, you mean, like, nowadays. Yeah, we "provoke" them and they "provoke" us... > > and that the tanks are there because the Palestinians are shooting, > > nightly, at civilian neighbourhood called "Giloh". No, it's not a > > "settlement". It's a neighborhood in Jerusalem, which is the capital > > city of Israel. How would you react if other country was *nightly* > > shooting at civilians in D.C. ? > > I suppose it's a question of "other country". If it's another > country, then the Israelis shouldn't be shooting in Palestine. If > it's the same country then yes, I believe there *are* (roughly) > nightly shootings in (Washington) D.C., but since they're mainly poor > people, the police doesn't do much about it. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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