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Date:      Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:18:45 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        arch@FreeBSD.org, tlambert@primenet.com, drosih@rpi.edu, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
Subject:   Re: NO MORE '-BETA'
Message-ID:  <20010316171845.U29888@fw.wintelcom.net>
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.010316171535.jhb@FreeBSD.org>; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 05:15:35PM -0800
References:  <20010316170755.S29888@fw.wintelcom.net> <XFMail.010316171535.jhb@FreeBSD.org>

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* John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> [010316 17:16] wrote:
> 
> On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > * Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> [010316 16:44] wrote:
> >> > Let's just add something to cvsup to prompt the user?  Or something
> >> > in the build process that's interactive? or what?
> >> 
> >> How about turning it off to all but authorized users (those who have
> >> a registered cvsup key, as on freefall) during release periods?
> > 
> > The real pain is that there doesn't seem to be a way stop users from
> > upgrading before they actually do it.
> > 
> > I think what'll happen is that sometime tomorrow I'll add an option
> > to newvers.sh to detect a cross version change and have the world
> > and installworld and installkernel targets check and prompt unless
> > something like EARLY_ADOPTER=YES is set in make.conf or you're
> > building a 'release'.
> > 
> > Would that be ok?
> 
> So you will prompt them wiht a question that will make them ignore it
> and cut and paste it into a message and mail it off to a dozen lists
> screaming about it?  If they can't manage to follow -stable or read the
> FAQ, what makes you think they will bother with reading the message you
> output with going into hysteria?  They've already demonstrated a lack
> of reading ability or willingness or something.

Those people can go fly a kite.

You stated that -BETA actually is a bit less stable than -STABLE and
hence should be -BETA.  The problem is that:
  THERE'S NO WARNING UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY BOOT WITH YOUR '-BETA' SYSTEM

This would address it and also give us an excuse to make fun of the
people that ask without reading what the make targets output.

-- 
-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]


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