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Date:      Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:36:30 -0500 (EST)
From:      perlsta <bright@cygnus.rush.net>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>, Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: softupdates
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990210173307.10060P-100000@cygnus.rush.net>
In-Reply-To: <199902101949.LAA85603@apollo.backplane.com>

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:

> :I have reported, several times, problems having to do with large
> :FFS filesystems, possibly related to softupdates, posibly not, to
> :Kirk, Luoqi, etc... Nobody showed any interest in looking at the
> :problems - in fact, the email wasn't even answered.
> :
> :As a consequence, FreeBSD lost out for being considered a candidate
> :at NASA/Ames for large mass storage. Shrug...It may or may not be
> :true that softupdates, per se, are stable. In my opinion, FFS as
> :offered by FreeBSD (and NetBSD) have not shown themselves to be
> :adequate to large (>500GB) filesystems. Sad to say, ext2 under
> :linux works better.
> 
>     Matt, I don't recall seeing anything from you in regards to
>     large filesystems.  Looking in the archives, I see one report
>     on Jan 27th from you relating to softupdates, but you indicate
>     that softupdates was not enabled on the volume in question,
>     so it seems unlikely that it is related to softupdates specifically.
> 
>     There have been several reports of dirty-buffer panics which is
>     of concern, but I haven't been able to reproduce the panic myself
>     yet.

4.0 has given me some panics on shutdown because it can't sync all
buffers, this is usually a result of me using my atapi cdrom both at work
and at home.  Sometimes as a result of my scsi CD-RW.

Sometimes it just shutdown's clean, other times it repeates the last
buffer count for a an agonizing 10-20 seconds then shutdowns properly,
sometimes it doesn't and just panics after about 30 seconds. 

I'll break to ddb next time it happensm, right now i have no freebsd
access. :/

-Alfred

> 
> 					-Matt
> 					Matthew Dillon 
> 					<dillon@backplane.com>


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