Date: 01 Jan 1999 18:24:01 +0100 From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> To: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> Cc: "Steven P. Donegan" <donegan@quick.net>, Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>, The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>, "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <xzp3e5usy8e.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no> In-Reply-To: "Daniel C. Sobral"'s message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:20:07 %2B0900" References: <Pine.BSI.3.91.981231082907.26431F-100000@oldnews.quick.net> <368BB247.886FB8DA@newsguy.com>
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"Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> writes: > Sigh. I ought to have kept my mouth shut about this. Anyway, it is > *not* being proposed to make Postfix default or removing sendmail. > Though, from what I have heard so far, that is the *LONG TERM* plan. > The idea is putting Postfix on the contrib as a way to make it > further easier to choose Postfix during installation, and thus > "push" Postfix as an alternative. Since Postfix is compatible to > some extent with Sendmail, that is not entirely evil, IMHO. :-) That is not a valid argument. As Nik Clayton pointed out, choosing PostFix at installation time is just as easy if it's a port - actually, with the new installation system, it may become even easier. Keeping PostFix out of the tree - keeping it as a port - will not make it any harder to import it into the tree later. Importing it into the tree now *will* make it harder to pull out if we decide we have to (witness the recent debacle over the Danish raiding expedition). Keeping PostFix in the ports tree is even an advantage in the sense that it will require much less work to track the latest versions. No matter what one may say about Wietse Venema's paranoia, PostFix is still a work in progress and has nowhere near the real-world exposure other mailers such as qmail or exim have accumulated. PostFix users will be better served by a frequently updated port than by imported source which is updated at best every other month or so. One more thing: whether intended or not, by importing it into the source tree, the Project places a stamp of approval on PostFix. Are we ready to do that? I, for one, would *never* run PostFix, as it is today, on a computer to which regular users have shell access. If you don't understand what I mean, read BUGTRAQ, and try the various attacks described for yourself. Wietse Venema can't keep handwaving those holes for much longer. So please, *please* keep PostFix out of the source tree until we're absolutely certain it's mature enough, and until the FreeBSD community have accumulated enough experience with running PostFix on FreeBSD. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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