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Date:      Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:37:27 +0000
From:      Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: portupgrade: integration with the main FreeBSD tree?
Message-ID:  <20011220023727.GB54567@voi.aagh.net>
In-Reply-To: <20011220000802.GB99222@gw.tex.bogus>
References:  <20011220000802.GB99222@gw.tex.bogus>

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* Nuno Teixeira (nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) wrote:

>       - why not integrate portupgrade with the main FreeBSD tree?

The main tree wants to be small; it's installed on all machines, from
little gateways sitting in the corner and *just* fitting on the drive,
to big-ass servers.  Many of these machines won't even have the ports
tree on them, never mind ever install anything from it, so adding a
language (which will have to be *maintained* using cvs and hence loose
the ability to portupgrade it for users, and add extra workload to the
core team), a tool and it's prerequisite language modules is really too
big to concider.

>   I'm not a programmer to talk about Ruby or other language, but I'd
>   like to know if there is any solution like:
>
>       - change Ruby to other language so that portupgrade can be
>       integrated in FreeBSD?

i.e. Perl?  I suspect any Ruby developer would rather die (or for the
more thoughtful ones, rather make sure you die :) than do that.  Sorry :)

>   I see no problem at all to use portupgrade port, but I think that it
>   is a great funcionality to FreeBSD if portupgrade was part of it.

It's not functionality added to FreeBSD though, it's added to ports, and
hence if you don't have any ports installed it's just unwanted cruft.

I'd be very happy if sysinstall were to recommend it, however.

I'd be even happier if all the perl in the base system was replaced
with Ruby, especially since Ruby is smaller, but I guess we can't have
everything :)

-- 
Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst  -  freaky@aagh.net  -  http://www.aagh.net/

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