Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:24:59 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk> To: Ade Lovett <ade@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Compiling ports in a post-9.0-RELEASE world Message-ID: <20110316132459.GC13395@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <94BB0206-E628-4365-95B8-4BC303288B93@freebsd.org> References: <4D7BED01.6000506@FreeBSD.org> <696141300213240@web70.yandex.ru> <20110316091948.GZ46044@droso.net> <20110316093938.GB12965@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <5868CD2A-5FE3-400F-B081-2123CD33BB48@FreeBSD.org> <9561300272310@web147.yandex.ru> <94BB0206-E628-4365-95B8-4BC303288B93@freebsd.org>
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 06:02:55AM -0500, Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 05:45 , Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > 16.03.2011, 13:33, "Ade Lovett" <ade@FreeBSD.org>: > >> On Mar 16, 2011, at 04:39 , Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> > >>> What will happen to ports in non-clang arches (sparc64, ia64) after 9.0R? > >> > >> With any luck, they will die a silent death and be pointed in the direction of NetBSD that likes to look after irrelevant architectures. i386/amd64 for primary use, arm/mips for embedded. Anything else is just ridiculous. > > > > What about Power Architecrure (formerly PowerPC)? > > It's widely used both for embedded and enterprise (pSeries, Blue Gene, etc.) > > Surprisingly enough, there is an _enormous_ difference between making FreeBSD/src run on a particular platform (which is pretty much self-contained), and then making FreeBSD (src+22,000 ports) run on a particular platform (which isn't). > > Let's take the embedded example at random (well, not so much, since we both brought it up). Forcibly define WITHOUT_X11 on those platforms -- that'll nuke a whole bunch of stuff. That's the low hanging fruit. In fact, it may well be easier to define ONLY_FOR_ARCHES?= i386 amd64 in bsd.port.mk and then _override_ it for those few ports, and dependencies, that actually make sense on an embedded system. > > With 9.0-RELEASE, as far as ports/packages go, we'll be back to trying to support 4 major releases (7.4, 8.2, 9.0)-STABLE, 9.1-CURRENT (or will it be 10.0), two fundamentally different compilers (between 7.x/8.x and 9.0), eleventy-billion ports, with perhaps 2 people in the entire universe wanting to run doxygen on a mips box. > > Enough is enough. > > -aDe Is this your personal view? Or the view of the Ports Management Team? Are you, or the Ports Management Team, going to actively encourage "silent death"? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423
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