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Date:      Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:34:10 -0500
From:      "Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike@blackskyresearch.net>
To:        Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: removing CVS in Handbook Updating and Upgrading chapter
Message-ID:  <1359272102-5757022.21162222.fr0R7YAiH011169@rs149.luxsci.com>
In-Reply-To: <20130127072036.GL1423@glenbarber.us>
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On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:20 AM, Glen Barber wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 02:11:23AM -0500, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>> Hi Warren, All,
>>=20
>> I don't mean to exasperate you by pushing this thread, but this
>> is a critical entry point for new FreeBSD users,
>>=20
>> [...]
>>=20
>> However, Nov. 17 isn't very long ago, warning of a process change
>> which people have used and relied on for well over a decade- the
>> kind of users which represent the majority of the base of the FreeBSD
>> project, (people running lots of servers).
>>=20
>=20
> Contradiction aside, recent events force the deprecation of CVS/cvsup.

Understood- I'm not arguing the cvs/cvsup deprecation, I'm happy to see =
svn come in for development.


> It should have happened a long time ago (2007) when the src/ tree =
moved
> from CVS to SVN.

If you're referring to deprecation warnings in the docs, I'm with you =
100%, hindsight is 20/20.

>>=20
>> + ports, cvsup access end-of-lifed Feb 28
- great- drop all ports references to cvs/cvsup

>> - source, cvsup deprecated - no end-of-life date set
- please do not drop the current canonical base/src fetch method from =
the handbook!

However, cvsup is still merely deprecated, without a clear canonical =
replacement, (per notes in my previous email).

Therefore, I hope I'm being clearly understood that it's cleaner for =
*users* to still fetch *base/src* with cvsup, until:

  - canonical src fetch replacement is in place
  - whenever cvsup for base/src has an end-of-life date set, (like ports =
does- Feb. 28!)

At that point, it seems rational that the last references to cvsup can =
disappear.  (The rest of CVS can disappear before that though?)

Best,
.ike





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