Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:30:29 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au> To: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> Cc: freebsd-net <freebsd-net@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: igb watchdog timeouts Message-ID: <20110115131211.C16117@besplex.bde.org> In-Reply-To: <83F77456-6626-4315-B4FB-272569EE1946@mac.com> References: <20100729215649.GB2615@icir.org> <20110103210209.GA13091@icir.org> <4D2E66C4.5090607@greatbaysoftware.com> <AANLkTinxDryptLu%2B7NRnLPLE7716BHw=CZ==jYOb_Q%2BY@mail.gmail.com> <4D2F20BB.5080204@greatbaysoftware.com> <AANLkTimK8VEQLd-m-zPsw8-%2BoBi-oJ5pc5eScmFXmujy@mail.gmail.com> <4D2F71BE.2080801@greatbaysoftware.com> <0B45B324-A819-4230-BBE3-F8468F2DA88F@mac.com> <20110114154326.E27511@besplex.bde.org> <54D25D8E-ED8C-41E8-BD14-4EB86F4D63C3@mac.com> <20110114204810.Y28741@besplex.bde.org> <83F77456-6626-4315-B4FB-272569EE1946@mac.com>
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Bruce Evans wrote:
>>> On a good day, my MUA sends "Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed" and should contain line breaks following the 80-character-per-line Usenet conventions, which modern MUAs might well reassemble based upon the user's window size. If it is being re-interpreted after transmission by MTAs, mailing-list MIME filters, or similar, well, that lies beyond my control.
>>
>> Strangely, my MUA is sending format=flowed, etc., but mails received
>> from you don't have it. So when I reply to you and Cc me, then there
>> are enough newlines in the now-doubly-quoted original in the Cc.
>
> You're right. After checking, it seems like Mail.app stopped emitting format=flowed around 10.6.3, and $REALJOB requirements mean I'm stuck using it as I need to deal with localized text from many languages frequently. [1]
Still doesn't have it :-).
>> format=flowed apparently even fixes up the quotes, so there are enough
>> quotes too. But I don't like this. Letting the MUA change the format
>> will mangle source code, diffs and some types of quotes.
>
>
There's the double-blank-line quote-mangling.
I see quotes as ">>" in mutt and pine seems to what is responsible for
mangling them to "> > ".
> Well, source code, diffs, and such could be attached as MIME enclosures, which will insulate them from quote-based reformatting. Unfortunately, unless one is careful with the content-types used, the FreeBSD mailing list software might decide to strip them....
I don't believe in attachments either.
> [1]: Mozilla's Thunderbird does fine for the Latin-1 families & UTF-8 encodings, but it doesn't handle UTF-16 text or attachments (ja-JP / ISO-2022-JP or zh-CN & zh-TW in Big5 or GBK) correctly.
Surprisingly little FreeBSD mail have format=flowed. Today I have about
100 mails, mostly from FreeBSD mailing lists, and only 12 of the have it,
with 7 from just 2 people.
5 From: 3 FreeBSD committers, 7 From: 4 non-committers (?)
User-Agents: Mozilla/5.0 (5), Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (1) Alpine 2.00 (4),
Opera Mail/11.00 (1), header not present (1)
Do you happen to know what changes tabs to hard \xa0's, and what prevents
this.
Bruce
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