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Date:      Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
From:      mi@aldan.algebra.com
To:        ports@FreeBSD.org
Cc:        Ade Lovett <ade@FreeBSD.org>, stable@FreeBSD.org, seb@bluetail.com, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, olgeni@uli.it
Subject:   Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 rele ase on September 25th)
Message-ID:  <200009182056.QAA36579@misha.privatelabs.com>
In-Reply-To: <20000918150610.C44991@FreeBSD.org>

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On 18 Sep, Ade Lovett wrote:
= On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:50:41PM -0400, mi@aldan.algebra.com wrote:
= > As a rule, I CC port maintainers (and the last committer chaning the
= > port's Makefile) when I submit a PR regarding a port.
=
= Then  SAY  SO.  In the  PR.  And  if  you  get no  response  within  a
= <time-period>, followup on the PR, saying you got no response.

Ok, this is something new...

= Committers  are  not  mind-readers.  If  you don't  give  us  all  the
= information, then something is going to go wrong.

It seems,  that in this case,  Ruslan (who last committed  the change to
the port)  is not even  an e-mail-reader.  The port maintainer  does not
appear on the list of committers.  My previous grievances went to -ports
at least twice too. I thought,  that's were the committers interested in
ports hang out.

= > In this case, I not only did that, but also keep bothering this fine
= > people, without  any response,  regretfully. My last  such bothering
= > took place less then  a week ago, when I wrote  to the Eddie mailing
= > list:
=
= Ahh.  The Eddie  mailing list.  That well  known repository  of useful
= information for -ports PRs.

If you  read my message carefully,  you'll see that I'm  claiming that I
cc-ed my mailing to both the  committer and to the maintainer. Moreover,
as the

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=erlang+eddie&max=50&sort=score&source=freebsd-ports

confirms, this also went to freebsd-ports.

= Is it really  that hard to understand  that if it's not in  the PR, it
= doesn't exist?

Yes it  is. Up until  now, it  was said, one  has to talk  committers. I
believe by contacting Ruslan and -ports I was doing just that. Having to
list all (some) of my steps in the PR is a new requirement -- I thought,
the PR  should only have  the technical information. Should  this entire
conversation be  documented there as well?

= Tell us  the steps you've taken  to try and contact  maintainers. They
= can always  be overridden, but  you *have* to  (try to) speak  to them
= first.
 
I think, I'm telling just that. "The steps" are listed in this thread.
 
= > Perhaps we (Jimmy  Olgeni and yours truly) should  merge our patches
= > and resubmit,  but it would be  nice to see a  confirmation, that it
= > will be looked at before we spend any more effort...
=
= Contact the maintainer again.

Ok, I did  with my previous e-mail  and am doing so again  with this one
(see CC-header).

= Of course,  if you want to  pay me, say,  US$100 for each PR,  then we
= have a contract, and you'll get all the appropriate benefits.

Let's not get into bean-counting. I think I contributed enough of my own
work and  time for this  not to come  up. This would  be a giant  can of
worms and  ethics of even mentioning  money here can be  discussed to no
end.

	-mi



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