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Date:      Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:09:42 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1018386582.033abb@mired.org>
To:        "Randall Hamilton" <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org>
Cc:        "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix
Message-ID:  <15532.49430.142508.960515@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>
References:  <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <012601c1dadb$104d5100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.2846.277278.29276@guru.mired.org> <005e01c1db44$e10d2a40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.27851.19169.720598@guru.mired.org> <001301c1db55$7c883950$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <009201c1db5e$41b1baa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.33743.830853.456500@guru.mired.org> <000f01c1db68$0bbad580$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.37605.851236.651200@guru.mired.org> <004901c1db69$9a1cc3f0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.38785.141595.336871@guru.mired.org> <007601c1db6c$9daac550$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.40067.230080.806545@guru.mired.org> <009b01c1db6f$fca61480$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.41974.162478.960468@guru.mired.org> <00a501c1db75$9cf9fcd0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.44009.426543.851156@guru.mired.org> <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>

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In <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> typed:
> 
> > In <00a501c1db75$9cf9fcd0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton
> <nitedog@silly.pikachu.org> typed:
> > > > Personally, I think your definitions are badly skewed. A desktop
> > > > machine is a machine that sits on someone's desk so they can use it
> > > > for whatever needs they have. A workstation is either a machine that
> > > > runs one application, or a desktop that had a fancy label hung on it
> > > > to raise the price. A workstation *used* to be a high end desktop that
> > > > used SCSI drives and similar high-grade hardware, but that's been
> > > > polluted by the second definition above.
> > > No..i believe my discriptions work just fine for me. while you are used
> to
> > True, but it's out of line with a large chunk of reality.
> believe what you wish.

I believ what I see.

> > > seeing desktops used in offices...i normally see workstations. while
> > > workstations WERE highend machines 10 years ago..the general definition
> of a
> > > workstation is an office machine nowadays.
> > That's the second of my two definitions, from a different
> > perspective. A workstation *used* to be a high end machine. So PC
> > makers starting hanging that moniker on desktop machines to raise the
> > price, thus watering the term down to what you're using. However, the
> > believe that those are "low end machines" is false. Sure, some of them
> > may be. Then again, so are some home machines. On the other hand, if
> > the person who's using it is doing video conferencing over the network
> > as part of their job, they've got lots of CPU and a fat pipe - among
> > other things.
> *shrug*
> i suppose that the myrid of companies that popped up selling all different
> kinds of thin-clients and imachines were for the CAD software then?

No, they were for the home market. I didn't see anyone trying to sell
them to businesses, just to consumers who didn't want to deal with
complete computers.

> if you need further information on what general companies run...simply walk
> into any middle sized office building. rest assured that all the machines in
> those cubicles are not high powered CAD rendering machines...but old and
> rather weak machines that tend to run office..outlook and really cute
> backgrounds on thier windows machines...that are just adorable.

I've worked at those sites. You're right - most of the machines are
old boxes that go to people who don't need specialized
applications. However, the majority of the cash spent on hardware is
spent on high-end machines for the people who need them. As the boxes
get old, they get handed down to the people who don't need them, then
sold - or given - to the employees after they've been completely
depreciated.

	<mike
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