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Date:      Fri, 10 Jul 2020 22:26:38 +0200
From:      "Kristof Provost" <kp@FreeBSD.org>
To:        l.m.v.breda@xs4all.nl
Cc:        pf@FreeBsd.org
Subject:   Re: The best of both worlds =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9Cusing?= mac filtering in =?utf-8?q?pf=E2=80=9D?=
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On 10 Jul 2020, at 19:57, l.m.v.breda@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am using pfSense, build on top of pf. And of course pfSense/pf is a 
> terrific firewall, however the world is changing in the direction of 
> IPV6 and that leads to new issues and related new requirements.
>
> One of the major issues is that IPV6 does not provide a stable source 
> address you can use to filter in your firewall.
>
> Many firewalls “out there” are *using the level-2 mac as a way 
> around this issue*. � However ….. pfSense cannot provide that 
> functionality, since it is built on top of …… pf.
>
> Tja, and then there is a “striking” issue ….. suppose that 
> pfSense would have been built on top of OpenBSD, still using pf 
> ………. That had been possible …….
>
> So as user I would be very pleased if there could be a joined 
> “pf-release” having *best of both worlds* !!!!
>
> Assume we were running OpenBSD …… things like � �
>
> step-1: ifconfig bridge0 rule pass in on fxp0 src <mac-address> tag 
> <sometag>
> step-2: And then in pf.conf: pass in on fxp0 tagged <sometag> (policy 
> based rule)
>
> would have been an option, …. not saying it is the best option ….. 
>  �better option would be if pf could set the tag itself
>
> Whatever please consider adding this functionality to pf preferable on 
> short term, since IPV6 is fast becoming very important!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>  �
>
> Louis
>
> PS … should I raise an feature request for this?
>
You can, but adding L2 filtering functionality to pf isn’t even on my 
long-term todo list. It is essentially out of the question that it’d 
be added in the short term (or even in the next year or two, unless 
someone decides it’s worth contracting me for several months to do 
it).

I don’t personally see the use case for it either, but perhaps I’m 
missing something. Can you explain what exactly you’d like to 
accomplish with L2 filtering?

(It’s already possible to use pf on top of a bridge in 
bump-in-the-wire mode. Given the gotchas in that code I **strongly** 
recommend people don’t use that functionality.)

Best regards,
Kristof
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Please go in detail about this issue on why you would need to filter layer
2.

I see very little benefit to having the ability to filter on layer 2 except
in some very special cases and IPv6 isn't one of them that I'm aware of.

Best regards,
Richard Gallamore

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:57 AM <l.m.v.breda@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am using pfSense, build on top of pf. And of course pfSense/pf is a
> terrific firewall, however the world is changing in the direction of IPV6
> and that leads to new issues and related new requirements.
>
> One of the major issues is that IPV6 does not provide a stable source
> address you can use to filter in your firewall.
>
> Many firewalls =E2=80=9Cout there=E2=80=9D are *using the level-2 mac as =
a way around this
> issue*. =EF=BF=BD However =E2=80=A6.. pfSense cannot provide that functio=
nality, since it
> is built on top of =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 pf.
>
> Tja, and then there is a =E2=80=9Cstriking=E2=80=9D issue =E2=80=A6.. sup=
pose that pfSense would
> have been built on top of OpenBSD, still using pf =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=
=80=A6. That had been
> possible =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.
>
> So as user I would be very pleased if there could be a joined =E2=80=9Cpf=
-release=E2=80=9D
> having *best of both worlds* !!!!
>
> Assume we were running OpenBSD =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 things like =EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD
>
> step-1: ifconfig bridge0 rule pass in on fxp0 src <mac-address> tag
> <sometag>
> step-2: And then in pf.conf: pass in on fxp0 tagged <sometag> (policy
> based rule)
>
> would have been an option, =E2=80=A6. not saying it is the best option =
=E2=80=A6..
> =EF=BF=BDbetter option would be if pf could set the tag itself
>
> Whatever please consider adding this functionality to pf preferable on
> short term, since IPV6 is fast becoming very important!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>  =EF=BF=BD
>
> Louis
>
> PS =E2=80=A6 should I raise an feature request for this?
>
>  =EF=BF=BD
>
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