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Date:      Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:11:21 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
To:        Dave McKay <dave@mu.org>
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ports security advisories.. 
Message-ID:  <200003210211.TAA19792@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:14 CST." <20000320154614.A63670@elvis.mu.org> 
References:  <20000320154614.A63670@elvis.mu.org>  

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In message <20000320154614.A63670@elvis.mu.org> Dave McKay writes:
: Is it really necessary to post the ports security advisories?

Yes.

: The exploitable programs are not part of the FreeBSD OS, they
: are third party software.  I think the proper place for these
: is the Bugtraq mailing list on securityfocus.com.  Also to add
: to the arguments, most of the advisories are not FreeBSD
: specific.

But they are part of FreeBSD in the public mind.  In order to show
FreeBSD's commitment to Security, we must inform the public about all
parts of the system that we offer under our name.  The FreeBSD ports
collection is very much part of FreeBSD, and is very FreeBSD
specific[*].  Since we have packaged the sources for people, they have
the reasonable expectation that this packaging was done in a safe and
secure way.  It is passing the buck to say "well, it really wasn't our
fault that popper had a bug in it, so we didn't think we needed to
tell anybody."  It is code we've made available.  It is no different
than holes in the base OS that we inherited from the 4.4-lite
distribution.  We could say "well, all BSD derived OSes have this
problem, so we'll not tell anybody that we fixed it."  They are the
same thing, especially in the mind of the users of the system.  

We want to elevate the security of the entire system to a higher
level, and to do that we have to disiminate security information about
the system more fully that we've done in the past.  I'm sorry that you
feel that this step to improve the security of FreeBSD is
inappropriate and annoys you.  So far I've had only one or two
negative comment from the increased level of posting about these
problems.

Kris has done an excellent job of running down these issues and
keeping on top of them.  I think he's done the greater community an
excellent service by reading bugtraq and other sources of security
information and identifying those problems which will negatively
impact FreeBSD users and issuing advisories.  Keeping up with bugtraq
can take a lot of time and effort and Kris' advisories makes this
easy.

Warner Losh
FreeBSD Security Officer


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