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Date:      Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:55:25 -0600 (CST)
From:      mailing list account <lists@argus.flash.net>
To:        caj@tower.stc.housing.washington.edu (Craig Johnston)
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: good NTP servers
Message-ID:  <199601260755.BAA01748@argus.flash.net>
In-Reply-To: <199601260214.SAA29011@tower.stc.housing.washington.edu> from "Craig Johnston" at Jan 25, 96 06:14:54 pm

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> > They work nice too :
> > 
> > ntpdate -p 8 time.nist.gov
> > 25 Jan 16:23:28 ntpdate: adjust time server 192.43.244.18 offset 0.015795
> > ntpdate -p 8 tick.usno.navy.mil
> > 25 Jan 16:24:04 ntpdate: adjust time server 192.5.41.40 offset 0.013828
> > ntpdate -p 8 tock.usno.navy.mil
> > 25 Jan 16:24:27 ntpdate: adjust time server 192.5.41.41 offset -0.002344
> 
> time.nist.gov is of course a stratum 1 server, and if the other 2 are 
> synced to it, they are stratum 2 servers.  It is customary to _not_ sync
> from a stratum 1 server unless a large number of other machines are syncing
> from you, and then to get permission.  It is also generally polite to get
> permission / inform stratum 2 servers if you plan to use them.
>  
> Also, if you are just using ntpdate to sync, and not xntpd, using a stratum
> 1 server is kinda silly.  Find a few nice stratum 2 and 3 servers and sync
> from them.
> 
> A nice list can be found at ftp.udel.edu somewhere in /pub/ntp -- it might
> be in the xntpd distribution itself.  Lots of nice stratum 2 servers to
> sync to.  

please let me clarify my earlier statements...

tick.usno.navy.mil and tock.usno.navy.mil are not network synchronized via
xntpd to time.nist.gov...

time.nist.gov is sync'ed to NIST Cesium clocks...

tick.usno.navy.mil and tock.usno.navy.mil are sync'ed to Navy Cesium clocks,
I am assuming [someone please correct me if I am wrong] that these clocks
are sync'ed in a method similar to that described on pp 10 and 11 of NIST 
Special Pub 432, as the Cesium sources at the USNO are traceable to NIST.
The method described on pg 10 is accurate to less than 100ns, this is utilizing
GPS...  this is pure assumption based on the fact that the Cesium Primary 
Standards in use at the USNO are tracable to NIST, and that NIST uses the GPS 
method as described to sync the Primary standards at WWV, WWVB, and WWVH.

Since all three sites are using NIST tracable Cesium Primary Standards, I guess
that would make all three sites stratum 1 servers...  sorry folx...

Jim
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