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Date:      Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:54:03 -0700
From:      Bill Jones <bjones@polestar.org>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Clement Laforet <sheep.killer@cultdeadsheep.org>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: strange ATA behavior with -STABLE
Message-ID:  <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.102632047116959@www.polestar.org>

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I can comfortably say that this is the single reason why I am still 
running RELENG_4_5 and have not upgraded to RELENG_4 or even RELENG_4_6.
Several months have passed now since the ATA upgrade, and these 
issues were reported from the first day it was committed.  I am disappointed 
to see not only that it made it into a release version, but that 
measures STILL aren't being taken to correct it.

I also find it disppointing that we're discussing whether or not 
this will be fixed in version 4.6.1.  I don't think we have a choice,
unless we're not going to claim stability anymore.

Large IDE drives are cheap and commonplace.  If we're so willing 
to make FreeBSD work on laptops, then we should at least give a concerned 
nod to the most common disk system in average installation.

dillon@backplane.com wrote:

    There still appear to be serious issues with ATA, mostly with CDROM
    drives.

    Soren is currently on vacation for 2 weeks (this from an email 
he sent
    to the list on 22 June), so we all need to have a little patience.  
    He should be getting back pretty soon now.

		 		 		 		 	>	 -Matt
		 		 		 		 		 Matthew Dillon 
		 		 		 		 		 <dillon@backplane.com>

:Hi guys :)
:
:I "recently" upgraded one of my server from 4.5 (RELENG_4_5) to 
stable (RELENG_4) on the 4th july (nearly 9am CEST).
:And I noticed few hours ago, a little difference with the ata drivers.
:I know they have changed but there is something which "disturbs" me.
:Here a piece of log I have when "ATA failled". I don't know why.
Disks seems to be ok, maybe the heat ;)
:so... 
:
:Jul  4 09:00:40 goofy /kernel: ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 
- resetting
:Jul  4 09:00:40 goofy /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done
:Jul  4 09:00:50 goofy /kernel: ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 
- resetting
:Jul  4 09:01:10 goofy last message repeated 2 times
:Jul  4 09:01:10 goofy /kernel: ata0-master: timeout waiting for 
command=ef s=00 e=00
:Jul  4 09:01:10 goofy /kernel: ad0: trying fallback to PIO mode
:Jul  4 09:01:20 goofy /kernel: ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 
- resetting
:
:After this, the system was still up, even if I was unable to access 
ad0 and ad2, processes "simply became dead".
:(system an 'sensible data' are on SCSI disks)
:Without happiness, I deal with this ;)
:This was before I upgrade ;)
:
:I thought (bad ?) that upgrading to newer version of ata driver,
allows me to reset ata buses, and repair this "on the fly".
:I was wrong !
:Now my FreeBSD system freezes.
:The last console info is (like):
:ad2: read command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting
:ata-1 resetting
:*FREEZE*
:and then hard reboot 
:Nothing in syslog :)
:
:And now the question :o)
:Before considering what that happened (four times in 8hours today),
I would like to know how I can trace this (kernel options, soft,
daemon).
:Or maybe I've done a bad things ;)
:
:here's my uname -a :
:FreeBSD goofy.cultdeadsheep.org 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0:
Thu Jul  4 10:05:12 CEST 2002     root@goofy.cultdeadsheep.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GOOFY 
i386
:
:here's my ata (standard) kernel conf :
:
:device          ata0    at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
:device          ata1    at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
:device          ata
:device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
:device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
:#device         atapifd                 # ATAPI floppy drives
:#device         atapist                 # ATAPI tape drives








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