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Date:      Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:26:17 -0800
From:      Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>
To:        Dan Nelson <dnelson@allantgroup.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: How known?
Message-ID:  <20091202062617.GA1342@thought.org>
In-Reply-To: <20091202043903.GO89004@dan.emsphone.com>
References:  <20091201230157.GA99062@thought.org> <9176F7CB-372D-4881-AB8E-FE1803AA9A0A@mac.com> <20091202000313.GE99059@thought.org> <8441B02F-BA0B-4D64-A884-77E30DDB22F9@mac.com> <20091202005156.GF99059@thought.org> <20091202043903.GO89004@dan.emsphone.com>

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On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:39:03PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
> In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said:
> > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 04:05:17PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> > > On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > >> Most mail user agents have an option to enable "read receipts"; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA.  They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA.
> > > > 
> > > > What are DSN and MDN, please?
> > > 
> > > Delivery Status Notification, Message Disposition Notification
> > > 
> > 
> > Wow; amazing.  i'Ve been checking thru /usr/local/etc/Muttrc
> > and found something interesting.  This, circa lins #2900 ++:
> > 
> > #
	[[ ... ]]

> > 
> > Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for
> > certain email.  I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never
> > get any responce.  AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my
> > own hack!
> 
> Not even a bounce message back?  That's odd.  You can try posting to the
> list via the gmane interface, or join the #mutt irc channel on
> irc.freenode.net and see if anyone can help there.

	No bounceback, nada.  I'm wondering if it's dead for the time
	being.  I haven't a clue about the irc stuff.  ---
> 
> The mutt method for changing options based on specific criteria is called
> "hooks".  In your case, you want to use a send hook like this:
> 
>   send-hook "." "set dsn_notify=none"
>   send-hook "~t user@host.com" "set dsn_notify=failure,delay,success"
> 
> Note that dsn is only delivery notification; it doesn't let you know that a
> message has been read.  For that, you can try
> 
>   send-hook "." "unmy_hdr Disposition-Notification-To:"
>   send-hook "~t user@host.com" "my_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: my@email.com"
> 
> , but even if your recipient's mailer understands that header, most let the
> user turn it off if they want.


	I'm certainly guilty of not having read the entire Muttrc, but
	do not understand the "hook" options.  I'll google around for
	info and look at the FAW on the mutt site. Really, it isn't
	*that* important.  It is an option that would be nice to have.
	But not that often.

	gary


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