Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:47:50 +0200 From: =?utf-8?Q?Eirik_=C3=98verby?= <ltning@anduin.net> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@stonehenge.com> Cc: Mark Sommer <msommer@somware.com>, "freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org" <freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-java@freebsd.org" <freebsd-java@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Message-ID: <C89041D1-A998-4E4B-AB42-5A37EAAC2777@anduin.net> In-Reply-To: <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <C8AF9565.488C1%msommer@somware.com> <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote= : >>>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Sommer <msommer@somware.com> writes: >=20 > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. >=20 > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) >=20 > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. >=20 > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > then, we're stuck with Flash. >=20 > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > JavaScript. >=20 > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still NEED Java su= pport in their browsers - and not of their own choice. Banks, insurances, di= gital signature services etc. Still frequently use Java as carrier for their= services. Often this cannot be changed easily as such organizations have lo= ng turn-around times and make investments in the long term.=20 Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run signed c= ode it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just one of the reas= ons/scenarios.=20 I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm sure i= t would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately living i= n a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _need_ i= n addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can as well= be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, where it alrea= dy excels.=20 /Eirik >=20 > --=20 > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 009= 5 > <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>; > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussio= n > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20
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