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Date:      Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:43:28 -0600
From:      The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: X Windows reload
Message-ID:  <20170815004328.GA33645@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
In-Reply-To: <20170811050301.GA33891@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
References:  <20170811031019.GA3440@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20170811062200.39e69877.freebsd@edvax.de> <20170811050301.GA33891@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>

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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:03:01PM -0600, The Doctor wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 06:22:00AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:10:19 -0600, The Doctor wrote:
> > > Attempted to reload Xwindows and
> > > once at the screen, everything is frozen no matter which vm I am using.
> > 
> > Which VMs are you using? (I assume you're running FreeBSD + X inside
> > a virtual machine, is that correct?)
> > 
> > What do you mean with "reload" in this context? Restart X?
> > Switch to virtual terminal ("text mode") and back? Update X?
> 
> I assume so.
> 
> > 
> > Does "frozen" refer to the X session only, or does the whole
> > OS freeze? If inside a VM, does the VM freeze, too?
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> X session only.  the VM might not be freezing.
> 
> > > What needs to be rectified?
> > 
> > What did you change in comparison to the state in which
> > everything worked as expected?
> > 
> > Please provide more specific information about what you
> > are doing and what you are expecting. Without more info
> >
> 
> XSystem became slightly unstable when the update from 11.0 to 11.1  botched .
> 
> Back the server up  
> 
> then tried to restore filles that were needed.
> 
> Trying to report and it looks like choke city.
> it's really hard to tell what even the problem is...

Looks like you are correct.

One other issue.

No borders, nor the ability to mouse windows using mouse.

>From the log


[336614.105] 
X.Org X Server 1.18.4
Release Date: 2016-07-19
[336614.105] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[336614.105] Build Operating System: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 
[336614.105] Current Operating System: FreeBSD doctor.nl2k.ab.ca 11.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 #0: Thu Aug 10 11:07:44 MDT 2017     root@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
[336614.105] Build Date: 10 August 2017  08:13:35PM
[336614.105]  
[336614.105] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0
[336614.105] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[336614.105] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[336614.105] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Aug 14 18:38:09 2017
[336614.106] (==) Using config directory: "/usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[336614.106] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[336614.106] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[336614.106] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
[336614.106] (**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
[336614.106] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0".
	Using a default monitor configuration.
[336614.106] (==) Automatically adding devices
[336614.106] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[336614.106] (==) Not automatically adding GPU devices
[336614.106] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff
[336614.106] (==) FontPath set to:
	/usr/local/share/fonts/misc/,
	/usr/local/share/fonts/TTF/,
	/usr/local/share/fonts/OTF/,
	/usr/local/share/fonts/Type1/,
	/usr/local/share/fonts/100dpi/,
	/usr/local/share/fonts/75dpi/
[336614.106] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
[336614.106] (II) The server relies on devd to provide the list of input devices.
	If no devices become available, reconfigure devd or disable AutoAddDevices.
[336614.106] (II) Loader magic: 0x80cc10
[336614.106] (II) Module ABI versions:
[336614.106] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[336614.106] 	X.Org Video Driver: 20.0
[336614.106] 	X.Org XInput driver : 22.1
[336614.106] 	X.Org Server Extension : 9.0
[336614.106] (--) PCI:*(0:5:0:0) 1a03:2000:15d9:0821 rev 48, Mem @ 0xc6000000/16777216, 0xc7000000/131072, I/O @ 0x00005000/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536
[336614.107] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[336614.107] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[336614.108] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.108] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.0.0
[336614.108] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 9.0
[336614.108] (==) AIGLX enabled
[336614.108] (==) Matched ast as autoconfigured driver 0
[336614.108] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1
[336614.108] (==) Matched scfb as autoconfigured driver 2
[336614.108] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3
[336614.108] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[336614.108] (II) LoadModule: "ast"
[336614.108] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ast_drv.so
[336614.108] (II) Module ast: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.108] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.1.5
[336614.108] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[336614.108] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0
[336614.108] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[336614.108] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[336614.108] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.108] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.18.4
[336614.108] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[336614.108] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0
[336614.108] (II) LoadModule: "scfb"
[336614.109] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/scfb_drv.so
[336614.109] (II) Module scfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.109] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 0.0.4
[336614.109] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0
[336614.109] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[336614.109] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[336614.109] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.109] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 2.3.4
[336614.109] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[336614.109] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0
[336614.109] (II) AST: Driver for ASPEED Graphics Chipsets: ASPEED Graphics Family,
	ASPEED Graphics Family, ASPEED AST1180 Graphics
[336614.109] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
[336614.109] (II) scfb: driver for wsdisplay framebuffer: scfb
[336614.109] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[336614.109] (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
[336614.109] (--) using VT number 9

[336614.447] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for ast
[336614.447] (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
[336614.447] (--) Chipset ASPEED Graphics Family found
[336614.447] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
[336614.447] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[336614.447] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for scfb
[336614.447] scfb trace: probe start
[336614.447] scfb trace: probe done
[336614.447] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[336614.447] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
[336614.447] (II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
[336614.447] (II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
[336614.447] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libvgahw.so
[336614.447] (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.447] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 0.1.0
[336614.448] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0
[336614.448] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[336614.448] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[336614.448] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[336614.448] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.448] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.0.0
[336614.448] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[336614.448] (==) AST(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
[336614.448] (==) AST(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[336614.448] (==) AST(0): RGB weight 888
[336614.448] (==) AST(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[336614.448] (--) AST(0): Chipset: "ASPEED Graphics Family"
[336614.448] (II) AST(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xC6000000
[336614.448] (II) AST(0): IO registers at addr 0xC7000000
[336614.448] (II) Loading sub module "ddc"
[336614.448] (II) LoadModule: "ddc"
[336614.448] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): [GetVGAEDID] Check ACK Failed 
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): <default monitor>: Using default hsync range of 31.50-48.00 kHz
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): <default monitor>: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): <default monitor>: Using default maximum pixel clock of 65.00 MHz
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Clock range:   9.50 to 163.00 MHz
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768i" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "512x384i" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (no mode of this name)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.466] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "832x624" (no mode of this name)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "416x312" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (no mode of this name)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (no mode of this name)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (width requires unsupported line pitch)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (width requires unsupported line pitch)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (width requires unsupported line pitch)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Not using mode "1680x1024" (no mode of this name)
[336614.467] (--) AST(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
[336614.467] (**) AST(0):  Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz d)
[336614.467] (**) AST(0):  Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz d)
[336614.467] (**) AST(0):  Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz d)
[336614.467] (**) AST(0):  Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 59.9 Hz
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz d)
[336614.467] (==) AST(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[336614.467] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
[336614.467] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
[336614.467] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): No HWC_NUM options found
[336614.467] (II) Loading sub module "shadow"
[336614.467] (II) LoadModule: "shadow"
[336614.467] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libshadow.so
[336614.467] (II) Module shadow: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.467] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.1.0
[336614.467] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[336614.467] (II) AST(0): Using "Shadow Framebuffer"
[336614.467] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
[336614.467] (II) Unloading modesetting
[336614.467] (II) UnloadModule: "scfb"
[336614.467] (II) Unloading scfb
[336614.467] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa"
[336614.467] (II) Unloading vesa
[336614.467] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
[336614.550] (==) AST(0): Backing store enabled
[336614.550] (==) AST(0): Silken mouse enabled
[336614.552] (==) AST(0): DPMS enabled
[336614.552] (II) AST(0): AST Initial Video()
[336614.552] (==) RandR enabled
[336614.552] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
[336614.552] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[336614.596] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
[336614.597] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast
[336614.597] (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
[336614.706] (II) config/devd: probing input devices...
[336614.706] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/kbdmux)
[336614.706] (II) LoadModule: "kbd"
[336614.706] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so
[336614.706] (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336614.706] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.9.0
[336614.706] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
[336614.706] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 22.1
[336614.706] (II) Using input driver 'kbd' for 'kbdmux'
[336614.706] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events
[336614.706] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events
[336614.706] (**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
[336614.706] (**) Option "XkbRules" "base"
[336614.706] (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
[336614.706] (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
[336614.706] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:kbdmux"
[336614.706] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "kbdmux" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
[336615.213] (II) config/devd: kbdmux is enabled, ignoring device ukbd0
[336615.213] (II) config/devd: kbdmux is enabled, ignoring device ukbd1
[336615.214] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/sysmouse)
[336615.214] (II) LoadModule: "mouse"
[336615.214] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so
[336615.214] (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[336615.214] 	compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.9.2
[336615.214] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
[336615.214] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 22.1
[336615.214] (II) Using input driver 'mouse' for 'sysmouse'
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events
[336615.214] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
[336615.214] (==) sysmouse: Protocol: "Auto"
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events
[336615.214] (==) sysmouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: Buttons: 5
[336615.214] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:sysmouse"
[336615.214] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "sysmouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7)
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[336615.214] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[336615.214] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
[336615.214] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse
[336615.214] (II) config/devd: device /dev/ums0 already opened
[336615.215] (II) config/devd: device /dev/ums1 already opened
[336624.735] (II) config/devd: terminating backend...
[336624.735] (II) UnloadModule: "mouse"
[336624.735] (II) UnloadModule: "kbd"
[336625.082] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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