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Date:      Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:33 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, Archie Cobbs <archie@whistle.com>, stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? 
Message-ID:  <199805070039.SAA06961@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199805062212.PAA00530@antipodes.cdrom.com>
References:  <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> <199805062212.PAA00530@antipodes.cdrom.com>

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> > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well.
> 
> No, it doesn't.  But I may not have answered your specific qualms.
> 
> > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows
> > about?
> 
> Yes, what about them?   How about a concrete problem rather than FUD?

There's no FUD.  You just erased my specific examples.

> >  Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need
> > them.  How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'.
> 
> Huh?  You must specifically be talking about the resource starvation 
> case where the "can but don't have to" device comes up before a "must 
> have" device and takes the last interrupt.

No, I'm talking about cases where hardware *can* use IRQ's, but don't
need them.

> Firstly, there aren't too many devices in the "can but don't have to" 
> class, so this is a pathalogical example. 

But it's an example of something we need to have now.  (Like, if it were
there, I could use it today.)

Right not, to get a 'real' interrupt, you must be an ISA device.
Otherwise, you've got to hope for the best.  This is simply bogus.

And, sysctl is a *huge* hack that's completely incapable of dealing with
it.  You can't tell a device to not use an interrupt via a sysctl, since
by the time the syctl is active it's much too late.



Nate

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