Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:40:05 GMT From: Mark Meyer <ofosos@googlemail.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/156187: Add bsnmpd to handbook Message-ID: <201104060840.p368e5kv071753@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR docs/156187; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mark Meyer <ofosos@googlemail.com> To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/156187: Add bsnmpd to handbook Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:01:45 +0200 --0016e6d99af66fd49604a03b67d6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99af66fd48d04a03b67d4 --0016e6d99af66fd48d04a03b67d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for your comments. I attached a revised patch. See below. 2011/4/6 Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> > > > It's not clear that the ordinality of the installation is relevant. It is not relevant. > I think "the default configuration is runnable" is more clear. > I don't want to overuse 'default', otherwise changed. > I have a general preference for "everyone" over "everybody" that I cannot > really justify to this audience and will refrain from noting all > occurrences. However, here I think "anyone" or "everyone" is preferable. > I prefer to follow you there. > + guess it, will be able to read from your systems management >> > > no comma. > Fixed. > + data. The community will however be transferred in plain text >> >> + over the wire, thus potentially leaking an otherwise secure >> + password to an attacker.</para></note> >> > > "thus" is perhaps spurious; the whole sentence could probably be reworded > to make it more clear that valuable passwords should not be used as they are > sent in cleartext. Now reads: " Choose the community string wisely. Everyone able to guess it will be able to read from your systems management data. The community string is transferred in cleartext over the network, potentially leaking a valuable password to an attacker." Express that the user doesn't want to use the very weak "public", or his/her valuable user credentials. Do you have an opinion about starting the third sentence with "But"? "enable" Done. Can you reword to avoid the awkwardness of treating the screenshot as part > of the sentence? "Start bsnmpd:" Do you have a preference to end the sentence preceding the <screen> in a full stop or in a colon? + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>/etc/rc.d/bsnmpd >> start</userinput></screen> >> + >> + <para>will start <application>bsnmpd</application> >> + immediately. To test your setup, run >> + an <application>bsnmpget</application> from the machine you >> + installed on.</para> >> > > "machine you installed on" is a somewhat awkward phrase. I used "your system" elsewhere. The idea that you're doing this locally should be evident. > + >> + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>/usr/local/bin/bsnmpget -s >> superprivate@localhost sysContact</userinput> >> +sysContact.0 = sysmeister@example.com</screen> >> + >> + <para>The command should dump the value you entered in your >> > > s/dump/print/, I think (having not tried running the command) Changed. > + configuration.</para> >> > > Maybe name bsnmpd.config explicitly? > Done. Other changes: some markup, removed the word "now" preceding instructions (superfluous). - Mark --0016e6d99af66fd48d04a03b67d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your comments. I attached a revised patch. See below.<br><br><di= v class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/4/6 Benjamin Kaduk <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:kaduk@mit.edu">kaduk@mit.edu</a>></span><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex;"> <div><div class=3D"h5"> <br></div></div> It's not clear that the ordinality of the installation is relevant.</bl= ockquote><div><br></div><div>It is not relevant.</div><div>=A0</div><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex;"> I think "the default configuration is runnable" is more clear.<br= ></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't want to overuse 'default&= #39;, otherwise changed.=A0</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e= x;"> I have a general preference for "everyone" over "everybody&q= uot; that I cannot really justify to this audience and will refrain from no= ting all occurrences. =A0However, here I think "anyone" or "= everyone" is preferable.<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I prefer to follow you there.</div><div>= =A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde= r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + =A0 =A0 =A0 guess it, will be able to read from your systems management<b= r> </blockquote> <br> no comma.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fixed.=A0</div><div>=A0</div>= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + =A0 =A0 =A0 data. =A0The community will however be transferred in plain t= ext<div class=3D"im"><br> + =A0 =A0 =A0 over the wire, thus potentially leaking an otherwise secure<b= r> + =A0 =A0 =A0 password to an attacker.</para></note><br> </div></blockquote> <br> "thus" is perhaps spurious; the whole sentence could probably be = reworded to make it more clear that valuable passwords should not be used a= s they are sent in cleartext.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Now reads: &q= uot;=A0Choose the community string wisely. =A0Everyone able to guess it wil= l be able to read from your systems management<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span= " style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>data. =A0The community string is transf= erred in cleartext over=A0the network, potentially leaking a valuable passw= ord to an=A0attacker."</div> <div><br></div><div>Express that the user doesn't want to use the very = weak "public", or his/her valuable user credentials. Do you have = an opinion about starting the third sentence with "But"?</div> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> "enable"</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done.</div><div><br></di= v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:= 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Can you reword to avoid the awkwardness of treating the screenshot as part = of the sentence?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>"Start bsnmpd:"<= /div><div><br></div><div>Do you have a preference to end the sentence prece= ding the <screen> in a full stop or in a colon?</div> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im"><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol= id;padding-left:1ex"> + =A0 =A0 =A0<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>/etc/rc.d/bsn= mpd start</userinput></screen><br> +<br> + =A0 =A0 =A0<para>will start <application>bsnmpd</applicati= on><br> + =A0 =A0 =A0 immediately. To test your setup, run<br> + =A0 =A0 =A0 an <application>bsnmpget</application> from the m= achine you<br> + =A0 =A0 =A0 installed on.</para><br> </blockquote> <br></div> "machine you installed on" is a somewhat awkward phrase.</blockqu= ote><div><br></div><div>I used "your system" elsewhere. The idea = that you're doing this locally should be evident.</div><div>=A0</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<br> + =A0 =A0 =A0<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>/usr/local/bi= n/bsnmpget -s superprivate@localhost sysContact</userinput><br> +sysContact.0 =3D <a href=3D"mailto:sysmeister@example.com" target=3D"_blan= k">sysmeister@example.com</a></screen><br> +<br> + =A0 =A0 =A0<para>The command should dump the value you entered in y= our<br> </blockquote> <br></div> s/dump/print/, I think (having not tried running the command)</blockquote><= div><br></div><div>Changed.</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e= x;"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + =A0 =A0 =A0 configuration.</para><br> </blockquote> <br> Maybe name bsnmpd.config explicitly?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do= ne.</div><div>=A0</div><div>Other changes: some markup, removed the word &q= uot;now" preceding instructions (superfluous).</div><div><br></div> <div>- Mark</div></div> --0016e6d99af66fd48d04a03b67d4-- --0016e6d99af66fd49604a03b67d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="bsnmpd02.diff.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="bsnmpd02.diff.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gm5yxuxe0 SW5kZXg6IGVuX1VTLklTTzg4NTktMS9ib29rcy9oYW5kYm9vay9uZXR3b3JrLXNlcnZlcnMvY2hh cHRlci5zZ21sCj09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KUkNTIGZpbGU6IC9ob21lL25jdnMvZG9jL2VuX1VTLklTTzg4 NTktMS9ib29rcy9oYW5kYm9vay9uZXR3b3JrLXNlcnZlcnMvY2hhcHRlci5zZ21sLHYKcmV0cmll dmluZyByZXZpc2lvbiAxLjEyOQpkaWZmIC11IC1yMS4xMjkgY2hhcHRlci5zZ21sCi0tLSBlbl9V 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