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Date:      Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:21:58 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        scanner@jurai.net
Cc:        Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>, Hiten Pandya <hitmaster2k@yahoo.com>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: IBM suing (was: RMS Suing was [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD)
Message-ID:  <20011215122158.A87600@monorchid.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0112142003280.90198-100000@sasami.jurai.net>
References:  <20011215112539.L85108@monorchid.lemis.com> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0112142003280.90198-100000@sasami.jurai.net>

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On Friday, 14 December 2001 at 20:26:35 -0500, scanner@jurai.net wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
> [...snip...]
>
>>> IMO, we'd be better off asking SGI (and their former employees)
>>> about XFS.  Or just come up with our own journaling filesystem that
>>> is totally independant of the IBM code (satisfies the same design
>>> goals at the highest level, but below that point shares no
>>> specifications or implementation details).
>>
>> "Reinvent the wheel".
>
> Sure. Why not? Linux has been doing it since day one. The entire Linux OS
> is a "revinention of the wheel". To hell with building on the foundation
> of others.
>
>>> 	Indeed, I think we could safely argue that softupdates is a
>>> long ways towards this goal as it is, and that in many ways it is
>>> superior.  Combine that with dirprefs and dirhash, and I see very
>>> little reason to want JFS.
>>
>> Indeed.  One of the reasons I'd like to see a JFS port is to be able
>> to compare it with the current UFS.  I really wouldn't like to bet on
>> which one came out on top.  But so far, we only have theoretical
>> papers to base our opinions on.
>
> 	Yes doing so would be nice. For that exact reason. To see some real
> numbers and how they stack up. However i'm with brad it would be better
> considering the nature of the GPL on JFS, to get co-operation from
> SGI. Maybe they would consider another point of view in licensing their
> XFS to the BSD folks. Then again maybe not.

I'd bet on them not doing it.

> And again I think the only solution that is even going to remotely
> fly is to talk to vendors about getting source under a BSD like
> license.  I think with the right people at SGI some sane discussions
> could take place.

Feel free to go ahead.  But I really don't think that you'll have much
success.  Don't get me wrong, I think that XFS has a lot of advantages
too.

Greg
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