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Date:      05 Sep 2002 16:05:58 -0700
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: NO_SENDMAIL
Message-ID:  <1031267158.24794.168.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us>
In-Reply-To: <3D777D3A.8020601@cream.org>
References:  <1031191858.24794.127.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us>  <3D777D3A.8020601@cream.org>

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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 08:50, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> Joe Kelsey wrote:
> 
> >following rules in /usr/sup/refuse:
> >
> >*/sendmail*
> >*/etc/mtree/*sendmail*
> >*/share/doc/*sendmail*
> >
> >This seems to prevent sendmail from acquiring anything more than a token
> >foothold on my system.  I look forward to the day when sendmail, bind,
> >inetd and other mal-ware is removed from the base system and relegated
> >to ports where they belong.  I also await the official release of 5.0 so
> >I can build a system without an ancient, broken perl.
> >
> This has been discussed to death in various freebsd- lists before.
> 
> Basically, most people expect unix systems to ship with a working mail 
> subsystem and, whatever your personal feelings about it, sendmail is the 
> industry standard. FreeBSD doesn't have a suffiently fine-grained 
> component-based distribution system to enable us to start splitting 
> every piece of contributed software off, and making them all optional.
> 
> In the interest of shipping a 'fully functional' system, sendmail is 
> included in the base distribution.
> 
> Personally, I don't think that sendmail_enable="NONE" is too much to ask 
> to disable sendmail. You only need NO_SENDMAIL if you want to stop it 
> being built.

The reason I am so adamant about putting the sendmail stuff in my refuse
file is to stop the creeping featureitis, wherein, some supposedly
innocuous *feature* of sendmail creeps into my system and opens up a big
gaping hole, as everything related to sendmail is wont to do.

The answer to your sendmail "standard" issue is the same answer to the
perl "standard" issue -- leave it off the base system, but make it a
"mandantory" port to be installed after system installation.

/Joe




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