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Date:      Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600
From:      Chad Perrin <>
To:        FreeBSD <>
Subject:   Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
Message-ID:  <20110719032131.GA29635@guilt.hydra>
In-Reply-To: <20110718162245.0d426239@scorpio>
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 04:22:45PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> I think the explanation is rather simple, "Give the user what he wants,
> not what you think he wants." You are never going to satisfy every
> conceivable user, so concentrate on the core users. Microsoft has done
> that extremely well. On the latest Windows 7, getting wireless up and
> running is the most effortless thing I have done in awhile. Windows
> does everything but fill in the password.

This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different
things.  Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee
shop, and it connects automagically -- in fact, you probably don't even
realize it has connected.  Hopefully it connected to the coffee shop's
network, and not one of those occasional skimming networks that
masquerade as coffe shop networks and exist to harvest login data and the
like.  The dividing line between two schools of thought on the matter in
this example should be obvious.

> Correct me if I am wrong, but even "network manager" is not available
> on FreeBSD is it?

That's no great loss.  NetworkManager is the fifth horseman of the

If it is still not available on FreeBSD, my only comment is "Keep up the
good work."  Things like NetworkManager are among the few cases where I'm
*glad* when someone locks up the source with the GPL, dissuading anyone
from importing that disaster area into an OS I like to use.  Software
that makes the computer behave in a(n unproductively) non-deterministic
manner should stay in the Ubuntu and MS Windows ghettos where it belongs.

Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: ]

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