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Date:      Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:16:10 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Ed Yu <edlyu@yahoo.com>
To:        Jud <jud@myrealbox.com>, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com, mwvw@adelphia.net, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.Org
Subject:   Re: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? (was: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups])
Message-ID:  <20020730021610.25982.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020729215629.435b4356.jud@myrealbox.com>

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I have used mutt and I liked it but I think for
instant-workstation, evolution would be more
appropriate. I have noticed also that new users seems
to prefer galeon a lot as well.

-ed

--- Jud <jud@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:00:16 +0930
> Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> >The real
> > problem I have is knowing which of the over 7,000
> ports you want
> > to install to get "basic" desktop functionality. 
> Some time ago
> > I created the "instant-workstation" port, but
> didn't make much
> > noise about it.  instant-workstation basically
> installs a number
> > of dependent ports (see below for a list) and then
> does some
> > minor configuration.  Over the past couple of days
> I've been
> > installing a brand new machine (laptop) for a
> friend, and I've
> > been looking at the rough edges.  Here's what I've
> found:
> > 
> > 1.  Some of the dependent ports don't build
> cleanly.  This
> > obviously
> >     requires some attention.
> > 2.  "instant" is a misnomer, at least if you build
> from source. 
> > I'm
> >     building on a Dell Inspiron 7500 with a 600
> MHz processor,
> >     and it takes over 12 hours.
> > 3.  Once it's built, it works "out of the box". 
> I've installed
> > the
> >     XFree86 4 port, and installation is really
> nothing more than
> >     this:
> > 
> >     # X -configure
> >     # mv /root/XF86Config.new /etc
> >     # echo exec kdestart > ~me/.xinitrc
> > 
> >     You can then run startx or xdm and end up in a
> relatively
> >     complete kde environment.
> > 
> > So what's in instant-workstation?  Currently I
> have:
> > 
> > 	acroread
> > 	bash
> > 	cdrecord
> > 	dos2unix
> > 	emacs
> > 	fetchmail
> > 	gs
> > 	grip
> > 	gimp
> > 	gv
> > 	gpg
> > 	ispell
> > 	startkde
> > 	mkisofs
> > 	mount_smbfs
> > 	mutt
> > 	netscape
> > 	xtset
> > 	xmms
> > 	xv
> > 
> > My questions to you: is there anything missing? 
> Has anybody
> > tried instant-workstation?  I'd be interested in
> suggestions
> > about how to improve it.
> > 
> > Greg
> 
> I haven't tried instant-workstation, so of course
> I'll rush in
> where angels fear to tread.
> 
> One of the instant-workstation ports I have not
> tried is mutt,
> though I've read much praise for it and no negatives
> that I can
> recall.  I wonder, though, whether a gui mail
> application might be
> a good choice for this "target market," in addition
> to, instead
> of, or as another choice besides mutt.  Sylpheed
> happens to be
> the one I prefer, and it seems to be well liked by
> many other
> users.  Speaking as someone who didn't know a thing
> about Unix a
> couple of years ago (and hasn't improved on the
> situation all that
> much since:), it was very easy to learn.
> 
> Another place where options might be appreciated is
> browsers -
> perhaps Galeon, Opera, Mozilla?  And Lynx I think is
> excellent for
> getting around on the Net at times when one doesn't
> want to or
> can't be in X.
> 
> Perhaps that's taken care of by w3m (I don't
> remember ATM whether
> that's part of the default emacs install)?  That
> brings me to my
> last and likely most controversial thought.  Emacs
> does everything
> but bake blueberry muffins, but it might be more
> intimidating (or
> puzzling - took me awhile just to understand what
> "M-x"
> meant) than useful to someone fairly new to Unix. 
> It does take a
> while to build and install (and download, for those
> of us on
> dial-ups).  And the configuration options! - not
> exactly
> 'instant.'  If it's part of the install, it seems to
> me users will
> try it, and may wind up thinking "Jeez, this stuff
> is hard" as a
> first impression of FreeBSD.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jud
> 
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