Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:23:04 +0000 From: Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <44504f75-befb-5c4d-c4f9-273fcff969a2@gjunka.com> In-Reply-To: <gs0u9c9j989cog6v112klk2tppplqj9pku@4ax.com> References: <dvvl9chf9h22dpjto35d44enid819p9rnc@4ax.com> <h91m9cpbmp6js1km1bson74he5uuui9r6h@4ax.com> <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <ndjm9cl4samqgioi25ro8p2q6liimvr1h4@4ax.com> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <AE0D514C-D235-462D-B31D-66FC619D9F4D@lastsummer.de> <20170209161249.GL2092@kib.kiev.ua> <20170209162600.GP13006@home.opsec.eu> <lnbr9cdn91jr8vtkecdv6enkafanjh8adg@4ax.com> <20170210164615.GQ13006@home.opsec.eu> <gs0u9c9j989cog6v112klk2tppplqj9pku@4ax.com>
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On 11/02/2017 12:31, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:46:15 +0100, Kurt Jaeger <lists@opsec.eu> > wrote: > >> Hi! > Moin! > >>> On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 17:26:00 +0100, Kurt Jaeger wrote >>>> Getting the ports/pkg tree moving with the velocity necessary >>>> to cope with the fast-changing world, sometimes things break >>>> and we all try to prevent this. Sometimes, mistakes happen... >>> But it's the velocity that's the problem, Kurt. >> While I very much sympathize with "The world rotates too fast, >> I want to get off", for me it looks like as a project we do >> not have alternatives. > Why not? What would happen to fBSD that's not already happening? > Why aren't people asking what's going on and how to turn it > around? Could it be because they're too busy being busy? > > There's a well-known problem that kills ground-attack pilots all > the time (or it used to; maybe they have safety features built > into the aircraft now). They become fixated on their target, and > they bring the nose of their aircraft further and further down to > keep the target in their sights. Which causes them to fly right > into the ground! > > Fixation is a problem in other fields, too. > >>> Do you know of anyone who has successfully defended, or even >>> tried to defend, the current manic pace of revision and >>> obsoleting? >> Is it defense, if we see many projects (open source etc) >> shorten their cycle time (e.g. php7), because they see the need to >> add features or patch security issues (and breaks APIs/ABIs doing either) ? > It seems more like an excuse than a defence, to me. Is it > pushing Linux back? If not, what *would* push Linux back? Why > is Linux so successful even though fBSD is older and better, and > was once completely dominant in the space? What are the Linux > projects doing that we're not? > I think the answer to this question is simple and is the same reason why Windows and MacOS have been successful over time - user experience. To be more exact - desktop user experience. People like me, developers, use computers not only for work but also to do their daily stuff - watch DVD, listen to music, catch up with people on Facebook, play games. Sometimes I do need to switch to Windows but if I could just use FreeBSD I would be done with that. I can do many of these things on FreeBSD now but it has always been an uphill path. Everything is much easier on Linux. Now we also have PCBSD/TrueOS but it shares the same pain as FreeBSD - lack of drivers. On Linux companies contribute drivers and dedicated applications and it's a win-win situation. More drivers mean people can more easily re-use their hardware that they bought for Windows, and more happy users means companies are contributing more drivers. Maybe the fate was set on Linux because FreeBSD was considered as a server operating system rather than a Windows replacement, which Linux was always trying to be? And good UI/desktop always provides a better user experience than a command line and terminal. And why would people want to switch between FreeBSD on the server and Linux/Windows on their desktop if they can just go Linux/Windows all the way through? I believe it's only by providing a good desktop experience that FreeBSD can survive. Grzegorz
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