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Date:      Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:24:34 -0800
From:      gdonl@tsc.tdk.com (Don Lewis)
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: stream.c worst-case kernel paths
Message-ID:  <200001220624.WAA15869@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com>
In-Reply-To: Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com> "Re: stream.c worst-case kernel paths" (Jan 21,  9:51pm)

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On Jan 21,  9:51pm, Matthew Dillon wrote:
} Subject: Re: stream.c worst-case kernel paths

}     No matter what you do there will always be something the attacker can 
}     shoot at you.  The only thing you care about is making sure that it
}     doesn't take down your servers.    Since multicast packets have to
}     go through multicast routers to get anywhere, and those routers are
}     already band-limited, a multicast attack is not likely to kill your
}     network or your machine.  I doubt an attacker would be able to push
}     enough mcast packets through the router to matter since if the ISP 
}     is smart the bandwidth will be limited to something reasonable.  On
}     the otherhand, non-multicast packets are almost *never* band limited.
}     So guess what the IRC weenie is going to use!

But won't incoming packets with a multicast source address and non-multicast
destination address be treated like non-multicast packets and escape
the bandwidth limits?  I don't want my server to act as an amplifier
that converts a high bandwidth stream of bogus unicast packets into
a high bandwidth stream of multicast packets.

Imagine what the IRC weenie could do if he could convert a stream of
unicast packets to a multicast stream flood on your local network
addressed to 224.0.0.5 (OSPF) which all the routers on your network
are sniffing the wire for.


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