Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:15:27 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: David Southwell <david@vizion2000.net>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re-engineering the port system (was Re: duration of the ports freeze) Message-ID: <4751C0DF.3060604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:49:11AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: >> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > >>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid >> of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >> change simply because one particular individual is not >> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution to >> a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >> increase. > > I am quite certain that I am not alone or even unusual in not > having a problem with the current situation. I believe that for > the majority of FreeBSD users the port freezes do not constitue a > major problem - or even a problem at all. First of all I am not in the least inconvenienced by the freeze as a user because I just ask maintainers for yet to be committed ports to send me the needed files. My issue is the lack of longterm scalability of the system (some people say n years away where n>10... I am not convinced we should look at the actual curve before making any guesses). > > The current situation apparently constitute a problem for you, > which is too bad, but you have failed to convince me that you are > representative for more than a very small minority of FreeBSD users > - and it is of course not possible to satisfy everybody. (And it > is anyway not me you need to convince, since I have no official > standing at all in the FreeBSD project.) I don't know about David but there is no issue for me beyond having to wait like everyone else but being involved with large system creation I understand the need. > > As for your earlier claims that the process is developer-centric > rather than user-centric, I would say that claim is just plain > wrong. If anything I would say the code-freezes of both the base > system and the ports tree is more inconvenient for the FreeBSD > committers and port mainttainers than for the average user. The > intent is to make sure each release is in good shape, in the belief > that this is what is most important for the average user (from > which follows that the state of the ports tree between releases is > of somewhat lesser importance.) This belief might of course be > wrong, but so far little evidence has been given to contradict it. Like I said in a different subthread this is a problem that has been addressed theortically for a number of years. > > > It is disappointing to hear arguments to change simply because one > particular individual is disadvantaged by the current situation, > without any regard given to the fact that such a change might > actually inconvenience a larger number of people. > Thats why I changed the subject because it is clear to me at least none of the issues being discussed have anything to do with the current freeze. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUcDf358R5LPuPvsRAhnZAKDnGd6Bn8+iNjPG2kGuMQGi3HmSLQCdGvd9 dCJX+QxW2QCULeOVCF9Hxms= =48q4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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