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Date:      Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:57:30 -0400
From:      <kris@ixsystems.com>
To:        "'Alexander Leidinger'" <Alexander@Leidinger.net>, "'John Kozubik'" <john@kozubik.com>, <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: How many "production" releases will FreeBSD have when the ZoL merge comes in ?
Message-ID:  <2e0401d5372f$ccbc9800$6635c800$@ixsystems.com>
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I'm keeping the port pretty updated for exactly this reason. We intend to
use it for FreeBSD 12 here at iX, so far it seems to work pretty well.
You'll just need to build world without ZFS so you don't end up with
conflicts on zfs/zpool and libzfs. 

-- 
Kris Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org <owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
On Behalf Of Alexander Leidinger via freebsd-hackers
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:54 AM
To: John Kozubik <john@kozubik.com>; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: How many "production" releases will FreeBSD have when the ZoL
merge comes in ?

Hi,

is using ZoL from ports an option for you?

Bye,
Alexander.

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Send from a mobile device, please forgive brevity and misspellings.

Am 10. Juli 2019 01:36:02 schrieb John Kozubik <john@kozubik.com>:

> Friends,
>
> I am confused as to how the ZFS On Linux merge will be available 
> before 2022.  The current supported release lifecycle page states:
>
> "11.4-RELEASE + 3 months (or September 30, 2021)"
>
> ... and I have heard very pessimistic responses about the ZoL merge 
> going into the 12 branch.
>
> So I *think* that one of the following must be true:
>
>
> - We will, at some point, have *three* production branches with 
> -RELEASE
> distributions:  11, 12 and 13.
>
> - ZoL will actually come into the 12 branch, despite recent pessimism.
>
> - Neither of the above: ZoL comes in the 13 branch, which will not 
> overlap with the 11 branch, which means (basically) 2022 as the 
> earliest production (-RELEASE) version of FreeBSD with ZoL.
>
>
> Some background ...
>
>
> We at rsync.net, which runs exclusively on FreeBSD, are *dying* to get 
> native encryption and raw send.  As you can imagine, we can only run 
> -RELEASE versions of FreeBSD.
>
> We really want to give Linux users the ability to 'zfs send' to their 
> rsync.net accounts like FreeBSD users do, but 13.1-RELEASE[1] is a 
> *long* way off - perhaps over three years from now.
>
> Three simultaneous "production" releases seems silly.
>
> So that leaves ZoL coming in the 12 branch as the only outcome that 
> isn't terrible news.
>
>
> I wonder if there is any of the above that I am mistaken about, or 
> some news I have missed ?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Kozubik
>
>
>
> [1] In practice, we also don't run x.0 releases in production which 
> sounds bigoted and superstitious but I can point to 5.0-RELEASE and 
> you need no further explanation.
>
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