Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:32:15 -0800 From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: Fleuriot Damien <ml@my.gd> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Testing Facility Message-ID: <CAOgwaMvZBMtxp8JaNaonzFqNRbJGzeZfATTR2vibwP417i%2B0CA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9A5C98EC-7BDF-482E-A663-F7ED7CB88747@my.gd> References: <CAOgwaMsbupU0NB7TA6RMJW0erWBGwcsGO16xt3GPLsPuh-rpRA@mail.gmail.com> <51261D9E.6080507@digsys.bg> <CAOgwaMsdft6yYG3Pk75WRrrg40XvMMQd=hWpem6Cs6JcGt9wCA@mail.gmail.com> <9A5C98EC-7BDF-482E-A663-F7ED7CB88747@my.gd>
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Fleuriot Damien <ml@my.gd> wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < > m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 21.02.13 15:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > >> > >>> Dear All , > >>> > >>> During development of FreeBSD , testing is very vital . > >>> > >>> To my knowledge ( which may not be correct ) , at present , > >>> Tinderbox is used to only compilation correctness , > >>> means "Syntax" is tested . > >>> > >>> I have downloaded > >>> > >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/** > >>> ISO-IMAGES/10.0/FreeBSD-10.0-**CURRENT-amd64-20130216-** > >>> r246877-release.iso< > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/10.0/FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-amd64-20130216-r246877-release.iso > > > >>> > >>> > >>> and tried to install it on an Intel DG965WH main board . > >>> > >>> During the first booting , it generated a panic message and entered > into > >>> debug mode . > >>> > >>> For me it has crashed , because I do not know what to do in debug mode > . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On this main board , it is possible to completely install and > successfully > >>> run > >>> > >>> Windows 7 , > >>> Fedora 15 , 17 , 18 , > >>> Mageia > >>> OpenSuSE > >>> > >> > >> I stopped right here. None of the software you compare FreeBSD-current > to > >> is an development build. On the other hand, you downloaded an > cutting-edge > >> development build of FreeBSD (not released software) and expected it to > be > >> stable. It is not. This is why it is not released. It might not always > >> break, but it might also damage your data and (possibly) hardware too. > >> Unless you agree to accept these risks, you should not play with > >> development versions of software. > >> > >> Having said that, the DG965WH is quite old hardware and any stable > version > >> of FreeBSD should work just fine there. You are unlikely to see any > benefit > >> of the unreleased versions that are still in development, such as > >> supporting "very new" hardware etc. > >> > >> Sorry if any of this sounds too hard, but it is reflecting reality. This > >> mailing list, freebsd-current exists to facilitate discussion between > >> those, who know they are running highly unstable, still in development > >> version of FreeBSD that needs lots of work to become more stable. > >> > >> Daniel > >> > > > > > > I will not support your views . My main idea is to describe how we can > help > > to improve FreeBSD testing . > > > > The problem is " A snapshot intended for testing , is NOT able to boot." > . > > > > If you ask , do I know what I am doing : My answer is I am working in > > computing since 1970 . > > > > > And in all that time you've never heard of nightly builds being broken ? > > Please , please , DO NOT understand my message in a different context . I am NOT saying that a snapshot may not be broken . I am saying that "Let's test components as much as possible to generate more complex components." . After generating working components , we will start to test their union . At present , we are testing a complex system without testing its parts . This wastes much effort , time , money , etc. . To solve this problem , let's establish a distributed testing computing structure . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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