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Date:      Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:11:25 +0200
From:      Peter Pentchev <roam@orbitel.bg>
To:        opentrax@email.com
Cc:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: bin/22954: cron isn't daylight savings-aware
Message-ID:  <20001122171124.B1641@ringworld.oblivion.bg>
In-Reply-To: <200011221453.GAA00620@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 06:53:57AM -0800
References:  <20001122154044.A366@ringworld.oblivion.bg> <200011221453.GAA00620@spammie.svbug.com>

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Jessem,

Your reply seems to indicate that you've taken my explanation to mean
that cvsweb is something you could use to make changes to your systems.
In this case, it's way simpler - cvsweb is something the FreeBSD Project
is using so you can see what changes have been made to FreeBSD.

Just go to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/crontab/
and you'll see the history of changes to crontab; in particular,
you'll see a commit made by Doug Barton on Sun Nov 19 18:16:46 UTC,
and a link named 'Diff to previous 1.22', pointing to:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/crontab.diff?r1=1.22&r2=1.23

Do take the ten to fifteen seconds needed to check out those links;
you might find them useful in the future.

G'luck,
Peter

-- 
I am not the subject of this sentence.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 06:53:57AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
> On 22 Nov, Peter Pentchev wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 05:35:19AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 21 Nov, Peter Pentchev wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 10:22:09AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>     could you be so kind as to post the patch to bugs, or perhaps
> >> >> make it available via ftp or http? So some of us could make 
> >> >> the fixes on older systems.
> >> > 
> >> > In theory, you could get it from http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/
> >                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > In this particular case, cvsweb is all you need ;)
> >> > 
> >> What is this 'cvsweb'?
> > 
> > Did you even bother to check the link I gave?
> >
> No.
> 
> > Just for the record, cvsweb is a web interface to a CVS repository;
> > it can show you exactly what changed in each delta, it can show
> > differences between branches, and it can do lots of other fun and
> > exciting things.
> > 
> Peter,
>     Thank you for taking the time to send this message.
> 
>     We don't CVS. Our policy regarding all FreeBSD systems is that each
> system will NOT be upgraded for any reason. However, should security
> or kernel panics issues arise, then those patches where approiate
> will be applied. No other changes are made; especially to systems
> in the field.
> 
> Our company has resisted taking any stance stronger than what I've 
> stated (i.e. we don't fire people for examining/using CVS). As such,
> there is no mechanism by which we can apply patches (other than security
> or kernel panic). Not having a mechanism for apply patches means there
> is also no means, nor is one encourage, to make changes. 
> That being said we have no means by which to identify changes 
> should the be need  (except, again, security and panics).
> 
> Lastly, give the situation it is beyond the charter to develop
> methods to encourage any behavior that would suggest using CVS.
> I hope I've been clear. :-)


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