Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:49:11 -0600 From: Brandon helsley <brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB0104052EC4AA2CF989F1A1FBF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB010470EB8E75DF42106CDD1AF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <CY4PR19MB010470EB8E75DF42106CDD1AF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB010470EB8E75DF42106CDD1AF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB0104DD86F8FE6446AD1BF327F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB0104A2C03F4D66A1DA251A23F9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104C290121BF756D57B2DDBF9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104DD86F8FE6446AD1BF327F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB010470EB8E75DF42106CDD1AF9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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>An example of basic shell commands, done on GNU Linux bash, but it's
not really different to FreeBSD and/or another shell ;).
>[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ echo "1234" > file_a.txt; echo "1234" >> file_a.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ echo "1234" > file_b.txt; echo "5678" >> file_b.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cat file_a.txt
1234
1234
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cat file_b.txt
1234
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[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ diff file_a.txt file_b.txt
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>Why do you want to make a PC (I assume it is intended to be
>used as a workstation) a mail _server_?
>If this is the domain the OP likes, it's probably a good project to
learn, right after having basic skills in writing shell scripts.
First, before I try to understand that. What exactly is "writing shell scripts" is this similar to editing resource script files like .xinitrc or .xsession?
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> I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need, so that's not the problem. It's that I want to progress past simple editing of configuration files and minor system administration tasks like the crontab. I want to try and stick with FreeBSD as my main and probably mostly only OS. Meaning, I would like to skip the ubuntu step. It seems as though the FreeBSD docs is the way to go. Just read it over a few times, as well as the porters handbook. I'll get straight to it so I can contribute to ports and docs, even if it takes a couple years!!!
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age where the explanation for a certain option is missing, you take the original file, make a working copy of it, change that working copy, and create a file that contains the difference (i. e., the diff, also often called the patch) between the original and the updated version. This diff can then be sent to the FreeBSD team, and they will apply it; the next issue of FreeBSD will then contain the updated manpage instead of the original one. See "man diff" and "man patch" for details. Persons who have proven to be trusted contributors will get direct access to the source code repository: they can check in their changes by themselves. Here is a simplified outline of the process: # cd /usr/src/bin/ls # cp ls.1 ls.1.orig # vim ls.1 ... you make your changes ... :wq # diff ls.1 ls.1.orig > ls.1.diff Now ls.1.diff is what will be submitted. On the FreeBSD team's side, something like this happens: # cd /usr/src/bin/ls # patch < ls.1.diff # svn commit Yes, this is actuall
y _very_ simplified. :-) > I' bet I'll have to learn it myself but if you could give me > an overview and familiarize me that would be great too. You will definitely have to learn the required tools, but in my opinion, that's worth doing it, and documentation contributors are one of the most important people in a project. Never undervalue good documentation. > Right now I already have dedicated a PC to FreeBSD. I'm quite > intimidated by the editing of configuration files but have > managed to install and configure fluxbox and other simple > GUI's. That is an excellent starting point. So more or less, you already have the foundation for further work. You can refine such an environment by choosing what window manager or desktop environment fits your needs best, what programs (web browsers, editors, PDF viewers and so on) you like best, and tailor the installation for optimal use. > I'm currently working on making it a mail server but am stuck > for now. Why do you want
to make a PC (I assume it is intended to be used as a workstation) a mail _server_? Not that this is impossible - don't get me wrong! -, but what is the reason? I would even say it's probably better to install a MUA (a mail user agent, an "email program", a mailer) so you can use it to conveniently (!) read and write mails. There are many GUI MUAs that you can use, or if you prefer, you can use a TUI (text-mode based) mailer in an X terminal, if that is your choice. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with installing and using Thunderbird, the de-facto standard mailer nowadays. > Other than simple configurations like firewalls or jails or > virtualbox I find FreeBSD difficult too learn. Everything worth learning might look hard at the beginning. But always remember: If you feel learning is hard, that's just a sign that your brain is _actually_ learning, i. e., it does what you want it to do. The brain likes learning. > I'll work on understanding port files and sources as my n
ext step. The Porter's Handbook provides a great overview. You can see it in action with your installed ports tree. You should also understand the purpose and basic use of Subversion (svn), as version control is a significant aspect of working both with the ports collection and the system sources, if you want to do more than just using it to install stuff. The answers to questions like "What do I have to do?" mostly depend on _you_ answering the question "What do you want to do?" ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:14:56 -0600, Brandon helsley wrote:
>I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need,
>so that's not the problem.
Please start using a MUA on your FreeBSD desktop environment.
In the archive your mails look like this:
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-June/289811.html
They look way more confusing, if a MUA displays HMTL text as plain text
and if this is the first choice to be displayed. A workaround some of
us are using, to be able to get the information out of even the most
worse formatted messages.
>I would like to skip the ubuntu step.
It's possible to do this. It's just helpful for some beginners.
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