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Date:      Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:05:30 -0700
From:      David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        bde@zeta.org.au, julian@vicor.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [Fwd: FreeBSD/Linux kernel setgid implementation]
Message-ID:  <20020722050530.GA1068@HAL9000.homeunix.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020720.010637.105098846.imp@bsdimp.com>
References:  <20020720130233.Y15254-100000@gamplex.bde.org> <20020720131426.T15254-100000@gamplex.bde.org> <20020720.010637.105098846.imp@bsdimp.com>

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Thus spake M. Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>:
> I would ****STRONGLY**** suggest that any attempts to change the
> setuid semantics of FreeBSD be resisted unless the person making the
> change is willing to a) audit the entire tree for places where the use
> of setuid breaks (and to publish the results of the non-breakage cases
> too) and b) be the point person for the next year after this change
> for the SO to send port breakages too.
> 
> Many eyes have looked at the setuid/seteuid instances in the tree and
> verified them as being as correct as we can determine.  I'd really
> hate to see that work undone by subtle changes in the system calls.

Interestingly, the paper grew out of a larger project to develop
an automated tool to verify temporal safety properties.  The tool
is written and it has yielded promising results, although it
presently lacks a front end to drive all the parts and an
extensive database of formalized security properties.  I'm working
on the former deficiency right now.  The old hard-to-drive version
is available at http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/mops/ .

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