Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Fundakowski Feldman <green@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@village.org> Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003022354200.49437-100000@green.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <200003021809.LAA16928@harmony.village.org>
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > : What do you mean by "last name"? The standard syntax for japanese names > : is "FAMILY Given". > > Yes, I believe that it is intentional. > > My name is > > Warner LOSH > > In their syntax, when speaking to outsiders, but Mr. yamamoto-san's > name might be > > YAMAMOTO Hisashi[*] > > Where YAMAMOTO is his family name and Hisashi is his given (or taken) > name. If you didn't know him well, you'd address him as > YAMAMOTO-san. If you did know him well, you might be able to address > him as hisashi-san. I do know that adressing him w/o the -san is an > extreme insult. Well, depending how close/informal/reverent you are with the given person, -san/-kun/-chan/-sama/nothing would be appropriate. Each one has a different connotation, and they're all acceptable for given relationships :) Anyway, to continue your example with the fictional YAMAMOTO Hisashi: 1. The list says it's sorted by first name. Okay, first of all, this _really_ should be family name, and with a comma it would work equally well for names from any region (barring extraterrestrial, most likely). 2. The Japanese names are not consistent in the capitalization. 3. In addition to that, some of the Japanese names have the family name first, some have the family name last, and others have it one way or the other with completely different capitalization. This cannot be the intended state for these lists. If nothing else is wrong with the lists (like sorting by _first_ name...), there's the problem that many of the Japanese names look one way, many look another way, and many look even different ways from that. If you need examples, I'll show you, because there are plenty to use. > > I've also seen this in European names as well. > > Warner > > [*] I picked "hisashi" from my email archive of names. I hope that > I've not given yamamoto-san a female name. I don't know enough about > Japanese names to know one way or the other. -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! / green@FreeBSD.org `------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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