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Date:      Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith)
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/bin/mkdir mkdir.1 mkdir.c
Message-ID:  <199908302243.PAA67233@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <199908302137.OAA00472@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Aug 30, 1999 02:37:26 pm"

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> > > Gentlefolk;
> > > 
> > > could this thread-from-hell now die?
> > 
> > Just as soon as Michael Hoek responds to just ONE of the emails
> > I might consider letting it die.  But has anyone noticed he seems
> > to be silient on this list.  Is he reading his commit mail?  Would
> > he care to answer my very direct and simply 3 original questions?
> 
> You might get a better result if you call him by his real name, Michael 
> Haro.  

Yes, sorry about that, explained in other reply..

> 
> > I have no problem with the -v to cp, good technical arguments where
> > made for it, _and_ it makes us compatible to fileutils 4.0.  Similiar
> > reasoning applies to rm, but not mkdir.
> 
> The argument for mkdir is simple; orthagonality.

That argument would say we should add this to all commands.  That is
why I asked the question ``Are you planning to add this to all commands?''.
If you think I asked that just to ask, well, no, I really did want to know
just what his plans where.

> > In 12 more hours I intend to revert the code on mkdir unless he steps
> > forward and at least makes a comment.
> 
> That would be a very poor move.  Commit wars are generally frowned 
> upon, especially when the new functionality has other supporters.  You 
> most certainly don't have a mandate for a personal-agenda backout.

This is not a commit war, I have followed the procedure.  I have raised
the issue and asked for a response.  He has not responds, though others
have, some want this to stay, some want it gone.  Precedence says it goes
away until this issue is resolved.

I don't need a personal-agenda backout, it meats the SOP that has been
here for a very long time, in case of conflict between wanting and not
wanting a change it goes out until a final decision can be reached.

> > If he does not make a comment I have to assume he is not reading
> > commit mail and intend to ask that his commit access be suspended,
> > as that has never been allowed.  (Is this in the rules yet??)
> 
> Actually, I think Mike is doing the smart thing and hoping that you'll
> just go away.  He doesn't need or want to get embroiled in a long and
> pointless argument over another bus shelter.

If he had responded, or if you had responded by directly answering the
3 questions I posed this would not be a drawen out thread.  Telling
me that your alternative was to import fileutils is not going to end
this thread.

If you feel this is a pointless argument, fine, that is your right, simple
go away and ignore us.  Remeber it takes two or more to argue...
 
> If you want to talk constructively about the implementation of the 
> option, I'd suggest you get in touch with Martin Cracauer and sort it 
> out between yourselves, as he did have some valid points there.

I have been talking, or at least ask about the intented plans,
just how far is -v going to go, why is it needed on this specific
command, etc.  What I got was flame bait.  Statements that the
alternatives where fileutils 4.0, which I did go investigate and
stated my findings, etc.


-- 
Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25)                    rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net


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