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Date:      Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:30:40 +0200
From:      Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@scc.nl>
To:        Doug <Doug@gorean.org>
Cc:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>, Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/emulators/linux-base-5.2 - Imported sources
Message-ID:  <37859710.532CAC24@scc.nl>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9907081642310.29777-100000@dt054n86.san.rr.com>

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Doug wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, David O'Brien wrote:
> 
> > At at minimum the ports should be renamed ``linux-base-RH52'' and
> > ``linux-base-RH60''.  We don't have "."'s in our ports directories, and I
> > personally don't want to start now.  And put "RH" in the name so we know
> > it is RH that these version numbers apply to.
> 
>         I think you raise a good point in your paragraph below, and I
> would further suggest that it would be more clear to name the ports
> linux-user-libc and linux-user-glibc, or something similar.

RH 5.2 has both. It doesn't work that way. Having linux-user-libc and
linux-user-glibc also implies you can install them both at the same time.
This is only possible if the ports only include libraries, which means you
still need a linux-base, ans so on and so forth...

> > Why do we need two ports??  I want Linux emulation, I don't want to have
> > to know if I need RH52 compatibility (which is really a libc5 issue) or
> > RH60 (which is really a glibc2 issue).
> 
>         Then you're asking for more than linux users get. (not that that
> would be a bad thing.) I think that Marcel has hit on an interesting area,
> namely the more "linux compatible" our linux emulation becomes, the more
> goofy linux'isms we will need to work with. This is just one of them.

I don't think it's a good idea to try to capture all possibilities in a
port. I don't even think it's possible. It's also not possible to make a
port that eats every Linux application thrown at it. The alternative: Take
a popular distribution and stick to it.

>         In short, I really hope that people will lighten up on Marcel a
> little bit (ok, a lot). If he's willing to devote a big chunk of time to
> this, and his code ends up improving our emulation ability, I say give him
> the rope and see if he hangs himself with it before we start slapping his
> wrists.

The comments on naming the directory are valid. No problem. The discussion
of what the port should do or how we can fill /compat/linux is simply too
late. For every so-called solution, I'll probably have an unsolved problem
:-)

> The last thing that the project needs right now is to scare off
> people who are willing to put the time into creative new solutions to old
> problems.

I'm not scared easily. I'm not even getting upset, but thanks for the
support anyway!

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Marcel Moolenaar                                  mailto:marcel@scc.nl
SCC Internetworking & Databases                     http://www.scc.nl/
Amsterdam, The Netherlands                         tel: +31 20 4200655


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