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Date:      Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Marc Slemko <marcs@znep.com>
To:        Ben Black <black@cypher.net>
Cc:        Tony Jones <tony@rtd.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: TCP (http) problem
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.4.02A.9809262018570.6372-100000@redfish>
In-Reply-To: <19980926204630.A20043@cypher.net>

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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Ben Black wrote:

> actually, this may be a bug in IIS4.  i have seen a problem exactly as you
> describe (can't get to certain sites, those running IIS4, but everything else
> works fine) when the path MTU is not the same as the MTU on the IIS4 server's
> LAN.

Doubtful, it is probably just a filtering thing.

> 
> since the smaller MTU hop was under my control, i increased the MTU and 
> everything worked.  whether anyone upstream was blocking icmp messages used
> in path MTU discovery, i don't know.
> 
> 
> ben
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:33:40PM -0700, David Greenman had most eloquently written:
> > >Eventually the http connection will time out.
> > >
> > >I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old
> > >BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work
> > >fine, as did the Linux versions.
> > >
> > >I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already
> > >tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was 
> > >a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine.
> > 
> >    It sounds like a problem with Path MTU Discovery. Your ISP is probably
> > blocking outbound "ICMP_UNREACH_NEEDFRAG" messages. You might try setting
> > a smaller MTU/MRU on your PPP connection (I suggest 552).

More likely a site upstream; www.wellsfargo.com is blocking pings, so they
may well be blocking other ICMP.  That is their problem.
http://www.worldgate.com/~marcs/mtu/ for a description of the likely
problem and possible solutions.


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